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tooki:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 12, 2022, 02:11:29 am ---"The "lightning" cables (like most things Apple) are stupid prices."  -  that's your explanation right there, it's all about the money...

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Except that this assumption is simply not true. Lightning cables, whether Apple or third party, whether high quality or el cheap, cost about the same as equivalent USB-C cables.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: tooki on December 13, 2022, 09:47:06 am ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 12, 2022, 02:11:29 am ---"The "lightning" cables (like most things Apple) are stupid prices."  -  that's your explanation right there, it's all about the money...

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Except that this assumption is simply not true. Lightning cables, whether Apple or third party, whether high quality or el cheap, cost about the same as equivalent USB-C cables.

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The key is,  who is selling them? 

Third parties cannot just start selling products covered by Apple intellectual property...   (in principle, they cannot sell USB things without paying their dues either).

tom66:
They pay a licencing fee to use the Lightning crypto chip, it's about 2% of the retail price (used to be $4 so that explains the discrepancy in prices historically).

I'm not sure how much the actual chip costs, presumably they're supplied by one or more third parties.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 13, 2022, 01:41:41 pm ---They pay a licencing fee to use the Lightning crypto chip, it's about 2% of the retail price (used to be $4 so that explains the discrepancy in prices historically).

I'm not sure how much the actual chip costs, presumably they're supplied by one or more third parties.

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2% of the retail price means something like 10% of the profit margin, assuming 20% margin on retail.   Nice work if you can get it?

Sherlock Holmes:

--- Quote from: tooki on December 13, 2022, 09:45:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 11, 2022, 03:11:04 pm ---What's Apple's problem anyway, why are they playing victim?

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Aaaand I can already see we’ll be dealing with a reality-avoiding Apple hater.


--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 11, 2022, 03:11:04 pm ---USB-C (USB 3) handles up to 640 Mbps, Apple's (effectively USB 2) is 480 Mbps.

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You need to read up on USB-C anew.

USB-C can, but does not have to be, USB 3, and USB 3 can be up to 20Gbps. USB-C can also be USB 4 (40Gbps), Thunderbolt 3 or 4 (also 40Gbps), or just USB 2 (480Mbps).


--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 11, 2022, 03:11:04 pm ---iPad pro already uses USB-C, USB offers greater power delivery.

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Correct. As an iPad Pro owner, I’d love to see iPhone move to USB-C so I can once again use the same cables for my phone, tablet, and earbuds.


--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 11, 2022, 03:11:04 pm ---The "lightning" cables (like most things Apple) are stupid prices.

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Utter nonsense. Lightning cables don’t cost any more than the old Dock connector cables it replaced, nor any more than the USB-C cables that are replacing Lightning.


--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 11, 2022, 03:11:04 pm ---Apple are and always have been about presentation rather than functionality, external design rather than internal.

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And there we have it, more reality-avoiding Apple hatred. The reason Apple has been so spectacularly successful is that beneath the style, there is real substance. Their products work well — really well — and that’s why people buy them. And that’s always been the reason people buy them.

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We could argue this all day, but making assumptions about me is no substitute for facts. Even if I was a "reality avoiding Apple hater" that wouldn't invalidate my statements, even statements from a prejudiced person can be true.

For the record I don't "hate" Apple, I do however regard them as technologically not very innovative and have done for many decades. Steve Jobs was technologically vacuous, always prattling on about appearance and styling, an so on. If that stupid cable is an example of their innovation skills, then I'm afraid that I am going to be underwhelmed.

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