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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices
Sherlock Holmes:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on December 13, 2022, 03:47:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:38:54 pm ---A 1m long lightening/USB cable costs 19 USD on the Apple store, a 0.5m lightning to USB also costs the same. A high quality braid covered 1m USB to USB-C connector costs 4.5 dollars, the price for a pair being around 9 dollars, there are a huge number of suppliers to choose from (aka "good for consumers").
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Made by.. wait, who are they? Shenzhen Wuyishi Technology Co.,Ltd? Will they be around next month?
Let's look at a USB-A to USB-C from a reputable name, shall we? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07213D35X
Yes, that one has all the signals present, so you don't have to play 'guess what this cable does'..
Sorry, was the 'high quality braid' an important factor? Okay: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GN0M6NE
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From Wikipedia: Anker Innovations
--- Quote ---Anker Innovations Co., Ltd,[a] commonly known as Anker, is a Chinese electronics manufacturer based in Changsha, Hunan, China. The company's product range includes phone chargers, power banks, earbuds, headphones, speakers, data hubs, charging cables, torches, screen protectors, etc.
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But there's more:
--- Quote ---Purchased a cable from Anker in November 2021. Requested a replacement from Anker and they are refusing to send. Now I just want a refund and I'll buy a cable from a different company that honors their warranty.
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and
--- Quote ---The company makes cables for various phones. I provided proof of purchase and showed how their cables were defective. The cables, individually, don’t last more than 30-90 days. The pins on the lighting port connector corrode or some how burn off. I provided this in photo proof and the company asked me to cut the cables in half, without written guarantee they would replace them. Looking at ******’s reviews they seem to have a track record of poor customer service and product quality. I’d like the bbb to look into if they ask every customer to do this or is this only done on a case by case basis. This is a very odd thing to ask; seeing as no other iPhone cable I’ve had to warranty asked me to further destroy them; possibly voiding any warranty due to damage caused by me rather than defect
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etc, etc, etc, from here: Better Business Bureau.
Note the corrosion complaint. I've seen that on cable's supplied by Apple, after some time there's a visible indication of wear, oxidation or corrosion and one can plug the device in expecting it to charge but it doesn't it just sits there until one grabs it in a hurry only to find it has no power, this is a problem with the Apple cables too, basically they're a joke.
Monkeh:
Ah, a couple of bad reviews, problems with the connector type we're not discussing, and oh yes they're Chinese so let's pretend they're all the same, because casual racism is a good argument.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on December 13, 2022, 04:35:12 pm ---Ah, a couple of bad reviews, problems with the connector type we're not discussing, and oh yes they're Chinese so let's pretend they're all the same, because casual racism is a good argument.
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Also, Anker's PowerLine II cables happen to be certified by Apple, and very well received (CNN review of another cable in the same PowerLine II product series that Monkeh linked to).
It doesn't mean all Anker cables are excellent, it only means they definitely can make excellent cables, and that PowerLine II in particular (due to Apple's MFi certification and review success) is likely a good choice.
tooki:
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:38:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on December 13, 2022, 09:45:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 11, 2022, 03:11:04 pm ---What's Apple's problem anyway, why are they playing victim?
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Aaaand I can already see we’ll be dealing with a reality-avoiding Apple hater.
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How you interpret what I said is your concern, Apple's complaining reflects the company's concerns not customer or consumers or the environment. Their eagerness to exploit the impoverished labor markets in China is sufficient to establish that.
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And here we go again with the ridiculously biased talk. Please, name an IT company that doesn’t buy cables in China.
There is always room for improvement in working conditions, but to shit on Apple for that is the height of hypocrisy, since no other major IT company even comes close to doing what Apple does in terms of enforcement. They routinely audit their suppliers (all the way down the supply chain) and dismiss ones that remain noncompliant with Apple’s terms, which go significantly beyond what local laws require.
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:38:54 pm --- Claiming that a single vendor with a monopoly on an interconnection technology is "good for consumers" is untrue.
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Nobody has made that claim, including Apple. (Since lightning is not a “monopoly”, in that you can easily buy non-Apple lightning cables and accessories.)
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:38:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on December 13, 2022, 09:45:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 11, 2022, 03:11:04 pm ---USB-C (USB 3) handles up to 640 Mbps, Apple's (effectively USB 2) is 480 Mbps.
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You need to read up on USB-C anew.
USB-C can, but does not have to be, USB 3, and USB 3 can be up to 20Gbps. USB-C can also be USB 4 (40Gbps), Thunderbolt 3 or 4 (also 40Gbps), or just USB 2 (480Mbps).
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I'd meant to type MB/sec not Mb/sec. The point though is that based on a quantitative comparison the old "lightning" cable/connector/system is technically inferior.
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Nobody has claimed otherwise. USB-C didn’t exist when Lightning came out, and there was absolutely no reason for a phone to need USB 3.0 at that time.
Lightning was invented because the USB connectors that existed at the time did not meet the needs Apple had for the iPhone.
It’s been a full 10 years since it came out. Of course technology has moved on, DUH!
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:38:54 pm ---A 1m long lightening/USB cable costs 19 USD on the Apple store, a 0.5m lightning to USB also costs the same. A high quality braid covered 1m USB to USB-C connector costs 4.5 dollars, the price for a pair being around 9 dollars, there are a huge number of suppliers to choose from (aka "good for consumers").
The only nonsense I can see here, is the claim by Apple that paying four times more for a short cable is good for consumers.
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Irrelevant, since Apple is not the only vendor of Lightning cables. You can buy third party Lightning cables in EVERY price category from $1 garbage to $100 Monster Cable-esque nude virgins voodoo woo-woo BS.
My original point, which remains true, is that the claim that Lightning cables are “stupid expensive” is bullshit. I’ve proven it, others here have proven it.
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:38:54 pm ---Even if I did "hate" Apple, what of it?
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Experience has taught me that Apple haters do not care about reality, and simply ignore and avoid anything that contradicts the anti-Apple narrative in their minds. Consequently, they have to employ dishonest arguments to “prove” their beliefs.
And you know what? You’ve proven me right once again. You’ve a) ignored my point, b) continue to bring apples-to-oranges comparisons that prove absolutely nothing, and c) bring in more irrelevant anti-Apple arguments (regardless of veracity) that have nothing to do with the question at hand.
Absolutely predictable, and quite maddening because your beliefs aren’t founded in facts, but in faith that Apple is evil, so facts don't sway you.
tooki:
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:52:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on December 13, 2022, 03:47:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:38:54 pm ---A 1m long lightening/USB cable costs 19 USD on the Apple store, a 0.5m lightning to USB also costs the same. A high quality braid covered 1m USB to USB-C connector costs 4.5 dollars, the price for a pair being around 9 dollars, there are a huge number of suppliers to choose from (aka "good for consumers").
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Made by.. wait, who are they? Shenzhen Wuyishi Technology Co.,Ltd? Will they be around next month?
Let's look at a USB-A to USB-C from a reputable name, shall we? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07213D35X
Yes, that one has all the signals present, so you don't have to play 'guess what this cable does'..
Sorry, was the 'high quality braid' an important factor? Okay: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GN0M6NE
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From Wikipedia: Anker Innovations
--- Quote ---Anker Innovations Co., Ltd,[a] commonly known as Anker, is a Chinese electronics manufacturer based in Changsha, Hunan, China. The company's product range includes phone chargers, power banks, earbuds, headphones, speakers, data hubs, charging cables, torches, screen protectors, etc.
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But there's more:
--- Quote ---Purchased a cable from Anker in November 2021. Requested a replacement from Anker and they are refusing to send. Now I just want a refund and I'll buy a cable from a different company that honors their warranty.
--- End quote ---
and
--- Quote ---The company makes cables for various phones. I provided proof of purchase and showed how their cables were defective. The cables, individually, don’t last more than 30-90 days. The pins on the lighting port connector corrode or some how burn off. I provided this in photo proof and the company asked me to cut the cables in half, without written guarantee they would replace them. Looking at ******’s reviews they seem to have a track record of poor customer service and product quality. I’d like the bbb to look into if they ask every customer to do this or is this only done on a case by case basis. This is a very odd thing to ask; seeing as no other iPhone cable I’ve had to warranty asked me to further destroy them; possibly voiding any warranty due to damage caused by me rather than defect
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etc, etc, etc, from here: Better Business Bureau.
Note the corrosion complaint. I've seen that on cable's supplied by Apple, after some time there's a visible indication of wear, oxidation or corrosion and one can plug the device in expecting it to charge but it doesn't it just sits there until one grabs it in a hurry only to find it has no power, this is a problem with the Apple cables too, basically they're a joke.
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So what? Anker is a company with a stellar reputation. That doesn’t mean 100% of customers will be happy, since that’s literally impossible.
That first linked Anker cable has a 4.5 star rating on 5700 reviews. That’s a pretty damned good sign that the rating isn’t an aberration.
And it’s a great example that Chinese companies can make great products if they choose to.
--- Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on December 13, 2022, 03:52:51 pm ---Note the corrosion complaint. I've seen that on cable's supplied by Apple, after some time there's a visible indication of wear, oxidation or corrosion and one can plug the device in expecting it to charge but it doesn't it just sits there until one grabs it in a hurry only to find it has no power, this is a problem with the Apple cables too, basically they're a joke.
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Yep, corrosion on that one pin, especially after exposure to moisture or sweat, is a known failure mode. It’s some kind of galvanic corrosion. Of course, we don’t really see if similar corrosion happens to micro-USB and USB-C plugs that are exposed to moisture, since their pins are not visible. Conversely, we also know that micro-USB and USB-C each have known failure modes of their own. That’s how engineering works, dude.
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