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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices

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Veteran68:
Apple USB-C devices typically ship with USB-C to USB-C cables, not to USB-A cables. At least that's been my experience with my MacBooks and iPad Pro. So old USB-A chargers won't necessarily work.

That said, I don't use those little Apple USB-A block chargers and haven't in years. All of my chargers have USB-C ports on them now, and all my current Lightning cables are USB-C on the charger end.

So I welcome the move to USB-C, it's long overdue. I think Apple would have got there on their own eventually, but obviously they wanted to go on their own terms -- they were milking their lightning cable investment for all they could and I'm sure didn't like being ORDERED to go there. So thanks EU for prompting them along. :)

I'm also lining up to pre-order my iPhone 15 Pro Max tomorrow morning.


--- Quote from: bd139 on September 14, 2023, 02:32:37 pm ---Worth noting that they don't fall apart of you don't sit there several hours a day with the cable wedged into your stomach because you are too incompetent to charge it at the right time. I still have perfect cables from as far back as 2015!

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Agreed. I tend to baby my gear. I have Apple cables going back to the old 30-pin cables and probably dozens of Lightening cables by now that look brand new over a decade later.

My wife/kids/grandkids though? They can go through cables faster than you can imagine. I keep reminding them, for example, not to yank out the cables by the cable itself -- grab the connector -- but they don't listen. So I buy basically cheap disposable cables for them. For me, the OEM Apple cables work perfectly fine.

tom66:
The most baffling thing to me is that Apple ship the iPhone 15 in 2023 with USB 2.0.   We have a few Samsung Galaxy S22 phones (pretty much direct Android competitors to iPhone 14) at work for testing, and these are all USB 3.x.

David Hess:
Does the legislation require using the PD standard and interoperability?

USB-C and the PD standard allow for crypto graphically secure authentication to enforce vendor lock-in of the charger.  When USB-C first came out, ASICs for implementing it advertised this as a feature.

Personally I have found USB-C to be less rugged than USB-A, and I prefer the later when there is room.  I have destroyed several USB-C connectors already.  The plugs bend and the sockets sheer their soldered connections.

bd139:
PD interoperability is "variable". If you stick to major brand cables, chargers it mostly works. I stick to Apple and Anker stuff usually and that's fairly robust and reliable.

As for the ruggedness, it's terrible and the failure modes are horrible and half the vendors do not consider connector replacement in the design cycle of their products. For example the latest T14 series of thinkpads, the USB-C connectors are directly soldered to the motherboard. One cable trip and it'll tear the connector shell off the board and take the traces with it. That's nearly impossible to repair effectively so you end up with a USB-C connector that only works one way round or paying to replace the board. Phone vendors, computer vendors all do this. Apart from Apple, where all the connectors are on daughter boards. You get what you pay for!

Lightning was a far better technology here. The standard failure mode was the connector blade would break off inside the phone but could be recovered easily.

m98:

--- Quote from: tom66 on September 15, 2023, 08:46:49 am ---The most baffling thing to me is that Apple ship the iPhone 15 in 2023 with USB 2.0.   We have a few Samsung Galaxy S22 phones (pretty much direct Android competitors to iPhone 14) at work for testing, and these are all USB 3.x.

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What is the use case of USB 3.x speed on a Smartphone?

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