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The Hydrogen fuel economy will not be viable.
Infraviolet:
I do find it perplexing why so many places are considering switching natural gas pipelines for supplying fuel to static equipment (household boilers, cookers...), but not working on hydrogen for transport. It would seem to me that for anything static the eventual end result must be to power it electrically, directly from the electricity produced from nuclear/renewable sources. If nuclear and renewables were built at the proper scale they could bring the price of electricity low enough to outcompete gas for such uses. Chemical fuels are something you reserve for transport, less effiicent in energy terms but necessary for energy density reasons. Its a long way off, but I see the ideal energy grid of the future as being an electrical only one, with hydrogen generated by electrolysis at the filling stations where it is needed for vehicles. Using hydrogen like natural gas just looks like a way to complicate things.
james_s:
Having used electric cook stoves for the first half of my life when I finally had my own house and upgraded to a gas stove the difference is like night and day. I can't imagine ever going back to an electric stove, it's so nice being able to turn off the flame and not have to remove the pan from the burner, and I can easily visualize the heat by just looking at the flame. There is no lag between adjusting the knob and adjusting the heat.
themadhippy:
--- Quote --- can't imagine ever going back to an electric stove
--- End quote ---
if some of your bureaucrats get there way you may have to
tom66:
Have you used induction hobs? I had a short stint with one, and besides having to take care with the cookware you used, I think they struck the perfect balance. They are fast and responsive and cook well. It's worth noting that cooking using gas produces a lot of indoor air pollution, especially NOx and fine soot particulates, both of which are known hazards to health.
james_s:
I saw one once about 30 years ago, it was interesting but it only worked with certain types of pans and I have not encountered one since, I don't think they ever really caught on here. I'm not concerned about the pollution, there's a vent hood above my stove that exhausts outside and it's not as if I'm cooking all day long every day. Another huge advantage of gas is it works during power outages, I can light it with a match if I want to but my little 2kW inverter generator powers the stove and vent fan easily, I would need an enormous backup generator to run any sort of electric stove.
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