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| mtdoc:
--- Quote from: Maxlor on July 28, 2016, 07:29:24 pm --- But really, my point is not about the hyperloop. My point is that if you claim BUSTED, you need to actually show BUSTED. And saying "Can't you see how ridiculous this is?" isn't showing anything. Doesn't have to be an airtight proof, but there have to be at least a couple of steps in that direction. And if you don't do that, I'll call it an unconvincing argument, regardless of whether I think that the claim has merit or not. --- End quote --- I agree. My opinion of Thunderfoot went down a few notches after watching the videos. IMHO he's using the solar roadways comparison as click bait - trying to garner views, but his attempt at " busting" the hyperloop concept is a fail. It may or may not be viable but he has not proved it isn't - only pointed out some of the well known challenges while refuting some possible solutions to those. With solar roadways - the problems are well known and well studied - and easily proved insurmountable with current PV technology. Hyperloop is different - this is a new concept and most of the technology has yet to be developed. I agree that any LA to SF hyperloop is very unlikely to ever be built - but I suspect that is will more likely be due to cost and politics. |
| rs20:
--- Quote from: Kilrah on July 28, 2016, 06:14:49 pm ---Now one fails to open: --- End quote --- Hmm, it's also fairly important that railroad switches don't fail. Congratulations for once again delivering an argument that "busts" existing railroads just as much as the hyperloop. Seriously, I'm not defending the practicality of the Hyperloop, much like Maxlor. But pithy remarks like this that don't actually bust anything are exactly the sort of polarizing rhetoric that makes the internet such an echo-chamber. --- Quote from: EEVblog on July 28, 2016, 01:50:07 am ---BUSTED means it isn't a practical solution. --- End quote --- The claims made by solar roadways can be demonstrated to be impossible on the back of an envelope. Not just impractical, but forbidden by the basic laws of physics. The story for batteriser is similar. The hyperloop could be constructed, theoretically. It might be insanely dangerous. It might cost more money that the entire world has. It might be entirely pointless, and indeed massively impractical. But it is not outright impossible. In particular, I find "If X breaks, then you die" arguments utterly bizarre and unconvincing, because airplanes. Now of course there's no point getting into a nomenclature debate here, you are free to define "BUSTED" however you choose, and to be absolutely clear I'm not claiming that anything you've said or referenced is incorrect. I just want to express that there is a distinct shade of grey here*, unlike the cases of Solar Roadways and Batteriser. The tfoot video, in my opinion, muddies and dilutes the "brand" that is "BUSTED". * Which, as expressed above, the internet sucks at handling/representing -- although I think this means we have a responsibility not to contribute to this fact. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: mtdoc on July 28, 2016, 08:14:49 pm ---Hyperloop is different - this is a new concept and most of the technology has yet to be developed. --- End quote --- It's a concept that is nearly 100 year old. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: rs20 on July 28, 2016, 09:06:29 pm ---Hmm, it's also fairly important that railroad switches don't fail. Congratulations for once again delivering an argument that "busts" existing railroads just as much as the hyperloop. Seriously, I'm not defending the practicality of the Hyperloop, much like Maxlor. But pithy remarks like this that don't actually bust anything are exactly the sort of polarizing rhetoric that makes the internet such an echo-chamber. --- End quote --- Do the math. The doors have to open and close within seconds of a capsule arriving at the speed of sound. And a breach in one section will likely blow out the seal and/or the surround and cascade that failure into the next section. It's engineering folly. It's only being worked on because Musk is Musk, and he's able to generate a lot of hype that someone used to get funding. The rest is media frenzy. It's important to note that Musk is NOT putting his own money into it, and has nothing to do with the company trying to make it. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: rs20 on July 28, 2016, 09:06:29 pm --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on July 28, 2016, 01:50:07 am ---BUSTED means it isn't a practical solution. --- End quote --- The claims made by solar roadways can be demonstrated to be impossible on the back of an envelope. Not just impractical, but forbidden by the basic laws of physics. The story for batteriser is similar. The hyperloop could be constructed, theoretically. It might be insanely dangerous. It might cost more money that the entire world has. It might be entirely pointless, and indeed massively impractical. But it is not outright impossible. --- End quote --- You really need to read my sentence above again. |
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