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The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
SilverSolder:
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And then why a preinstalled, but non-essential app can't be uninstalled is fricking annoying. It may not be an MS issue per se (but as for MS, I still warn people about this app.)
The fact it was drawing a lot of power with also abnormal data consumption, although I have no proof of what it does, doesn't look good.
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I have noticed the same thing with Android - a whole class of applications that cannot be uninstalled? :wtf:
Sadly, this seems to just be part of the "conspiracy" to force telemetry and tracking down everyone's throats - can you think of any other plausible reason?
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You can't uninstall manufacturer installed applications because they are part of the base OS image which is read-only. But you can disable them which keeps them from updating or launching. This will stop them from taking up additional storage beyond the base image and also avoid using CPU, memory, or collecting data. Last time I checked you have to do this from the setting menu under Apps. Unless this has been fixed if you go to the play store app and select the "uninstall" option for a built-in app it uninstalls the version that has auto-updated but leaves the original factory app behind (which will then eventually auto-update). I have no idea if you technically have to use uninstall to revert them to the factory version followed by disabling if you want to avoid having it take extra storage as I don't care that much about storage as long as I can disable the app.
Also note that there are applications that are not part of the system image but are instead automatically installed by the welcome/signup app on first boot. Those should be able to be uninstalled completely.
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Yep, whatever MS is guilty of on the telemetry/snooping front, I am pretty sure Google/Android is worse.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: joeqsmith on July 07, 2020, 12:29:13 am ---While poor Microsoft is normally locked out, they are not the victim. Those of us having to deal with their shit are.
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I don't disagree, but either run their OS the way it's intended or don't bitch when you break it.
--- Quote ---Pull the trigger on 1909? Anyone here running it. If so why?
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Because fighting it is more effort than it's worth. Mind you, it still only updates when I choose to allow it.
As little as I like their crap, third party vendors are responsible for almost all the breakage I've encountered.
joeqsmith:
If you are offended by my bitching about the shit MS has turned out in these later versions, the easiest thing is to block me and your problems are over.
About 3.5 hours which included sniffing for an hour. A total waste of time. There doesn't appear to be any new IP blocks added. :-+ I've also ran through most of my software and it appears functional. It's back behind the router and assuming I don't run into any problems with all their patches over the next few weeks, it should be fine for another year.
Another happy customer MS, not :-- Too bad really but I guess when your software company is failing you need to find other ways to keep it afloat.
Monkeh:
It's one thing to complain legitimately about problems, another to create them and blame someone else. You chose to not allow the system to perform updates the way it was designed to, any problems which arise are your responsibility.
Again, I do not like 10 either. At all. I also don't allow it to update (using mechanisms provided for this purpose). I just don't whine about it if that breaks stuff. If the tool doesn't suit your needs, you should get one which does. And, frankly, the data collection and some UI.. choices, aside, the underlying OS is a massive improvement.
joeqsmith:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 02:16:09 am ---It's one thing to complain legitimately about problems, another to create them and blame someone else. You chose to not allow the system to perform updates the way it was designed to, any problems which arise are your responsibility.
Again, I do not like 10 either. At all. I also don't allow it to update (using mechanisms provided for this purpose). I just don't whine about it if that breaks stuff. If the tool doesn't suit your needs, you should get one which does. And, frankly, the data collection and some UI.. choices, aside, the underlying OS is a massive improvement.
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What problem have I created? Maybe you are incapable of reading the past posts where I explained the problems with constant patching. It sounds like you are fine with it but that does not mean that everyone is. As long as MS continues to make shit I will most likely continue to bitch about it as long as I am using it. Like I said there's an easy fix for you.
Surely you can't be this ignorant. What other choice is there at this time? I am stuck with shit tools and the only solution I have found to counter MSs heavy handed tactics is to lock it. Its nothing new. I've had them blocked for 4 or so years now. The only reason it came up is because I let my guard down long enough for the virus to mutate.
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