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| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: joeqsmith on July 07, 2020, 02:44:21 am ---What problem have I created? Maybe you are incapable of reading the past posts where I explained the problems with constant patching. --- End quote --- What problem? You haven't allowed the system to keep up with patches correctly, for a start.. --- Quote ---It sounds like you are fine with it --- End quote --- Maybe you are incapable of reading the past posts where I indicated I too disallow automatic updates and take control of the process? More succcessfully, apparently. --- Quote ---Surely you can't be this ignorant. What other choice is there at this time? --- End quote --- Stick to 7? Consider alternative platforms? Yes, I am ignorant - of your software choices and workflow. I can't read your mind and I'm not going to dig into your entire posting history to determine if suggesting you think about your choices is viable or not. You could just as easily ignore me if you don't like being criticised. Bitch constructively. And if all you've got in response is more childish insults, let's just drop it here before one of us gets banned (again). |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 02:16:09 am ---It's one thing to complain legitimately about problems, another to create them and blame someone else. You chose to not allow the system to perform updates the way it was designed to, any problems which arise are your responsibility. Again, I do not like 10 either. At all. I also don't allow it to update (using mechanisms provided for this purpose). I just don't whine about it if that breaks stuff. If the tool doesn't suit your needs, you should get one which does. And, frankly, the data collection and some UI.. choices, aside, the underlying OS is a massive improvement. --- End quote --- It's the insidious, covert payload contained within updates that is what users are not aware of. What makes it annoying is the dominate message that the essential update provides urgent security updates and whilst that might be true and prudent in terms of their kernel code sloppiness, slipping in junk that spews your data is a dick move. |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on July 05, 2020, 07:24:49 pm --- --- Quote from: Mr. Scram on July 05, 2020, 07:06:56 pm ---You're struggling because you don't grasp the situation. Forget about being "clever" for a bit and look into what you're up against. Then run some basic numbers and post your findings. --- End quote --- I think you're trying to say one person isn't going to make much of a difference, that's why it needs to be a group effort... --- End quote --- That is my biggest problem with your argument. Sure, let's all open and close TCP connections as fast and as numerous as the system can support and increase the traffic as much as we can to "show them what they deserve", while clogging the pipes for everybody else. Nope, that doesn't work without costing us in the long run in the shape of data caps, speed limits and price increases. I dislike data mining as much as anyone else that has no skin in the game, but since the absolute majority of people sees no issue paying the availability of resources and services from the internet with their personal data, no amount of group effort will cause a dent in the bottom line - even if a million or ten million join this effort. Defeatist? I prefer to see it as realist. --- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 01:01:05 am --- --- Quote from: joeqsmith on July 07, 2020, 12:29:13 am ---While poor Microsoft is normally locked out, they are not the victim. Those of us having to deal with their shit are. --- End quote --- I don't disagree, but either run their OS the way it's intended or don't bitch when you break it. --- End quote --- Windows 10 broke for me many times without me doing anything out of their ecosystem but simply applying updates. MS puts out reasonable software but still insists in surprising you with mandatory updates that can't be disabled for the common man. Sure, a Windows defender update is quite innocuous, but a complete Service Pack overhaul is hardly a walk in the park, especially considering the vast amount of different hardware it supports. There is a reason as to why my work computer still runs 1809 - IT is very conservative as they have to pick up the pieces of a bad update affecting thousands of stations. |
| joeqsmith:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 02:53:02 am --- --- Quote from: joeqsmith on July 07, 2020, 02:44:21 am ---What problem have I created? Maybe you are incapable of reading the past posts where I explained the problems with constant patching. --- End quote --- What problem? You haven't allowed the system to keep up with patches correctly, for a start.. --- Quote ---It sounds like you are fine with it --- End quote --- Maybe you are incapable of reading the past posts where I indicated I too disallow automatic updates and take control of the process? More succcessfully, apparently. --- Quote ---Surely you can't be this ignorant. What other choice is there at this time? --- End quote --- Stick to 7? Consider alternative platforms? Yes, I am ignorant - of your software choices and workflow. I can't read your mind and I'm not going to dig into your entire posting history to determine if suggesting you think about your choices is viable or not. You could just as easily ignore me if you don't like being criticised. Bitch constructively. And if all you've got in response is more childish insults, let's just drop it here before one of us gets banned (again). --- End quote --- 7 :-DD :-DD First, it wasn't offered at the time I bought the PC. Obviously it was stupid to bring it up without knowing my requirements but at least you didn't suggest LINUX. I am not considering you trolling, have no reason to block you and don't mind the criticism. I do find it odd you would bring up banning. Sorry if I make you feel so uncomfortable but you were the one who decided to engage in this non-productive banter. You could have said to yourself, this person is blocking all traffic to MS using a router. I bet I could help them by suggesting a better approach. You could then provide a case as to why you feel what you are doing is better. That would be a grownup way of handing it. Instead you refer to my responses as childish but so far all you have done is bitch about my bitching. I guess you could ask the admins to help you out. Depends on your goal. :-DD --- Quote ---You haven't allowed the system to keep up with patches correctly, for a start.. --- End quote --- So what? I don't give a shit about their patches. The PC has been very stable without them. The only time I have had problems is when they start forcing them. I thought that was clear. It would have remained locked and all would have been fine had I not opened up the router to run a test on Vivaldi. This was all it took for MS to make a change. No matter how I block it, I don't see how opening it up one way or another is going to prevent this. If you actually have some useful information, post it. |
| joeqsmith:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on July 07, 2020, 10:34:40 am --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 01:01:05 am --- --- Quote from: joeqsmith on July 07, 2020, 12:29:13 am ---While poor Microsoft is normally locked out, they are not the victim. Those of us having to deal with their shit are. --- End quote --- I don't disagree, but either run their OS the way it's intended or don't bitch when you break it. --- End quote --- Windows 10 broke for me many times without me doing anything out of their ecosystem but simply applying updates. MS puts out reasonable software but still insists in surprising you with mandatory updates that can't be disabled for the common man. Sure, a Windows defender update is quite innocuous, but a complete Service Pack overhaul is hardly a walk in the park, especially considering the vast amount of different hardware it supports. There is a reason as to why my work computer still runs 1809 - IT is very conservative as they have to pick up the pieces of a bad update affecting thousands of stations. --- End quote --- I opted out of 1909 and it will take some time to evaluate 1903. The fact the older has been so stable and I wasn't having any compatibility problems, I can't blame you for staying with it. It seems that Monkeh has a better way to lock it down. Personally, I am very interested in hearing what they are doing. When I first looked at 10 and saw them sending back data on a simple number pad key press with their calculator running, I figured there wasn't any option that would lock it. Being totally independent, the router has worked very well. I had written some software to create the scripts for the router but still I have to run a sniffer and manually lookup each address. Someone had posted once how there was a database for the routers that people would update. This may have saved me some time but I have not looked into it. |
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