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The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
SilverSolder:
I use Windows 10 at work, where there is a whole IT department making it secure and non-leaky... It isn't too bad at all.
On my lab PC, I run Windows 7, patched up to about service pack 2 equivalent, but no further patching has been done nor will there be done. It is 100% rock solid stable. And... it is not connected to the Internet, at all. Brute force, but it works! :D
Monkeh:
Suppressing all instinct to pick apart the giant ego show..
I use the Enterprise edition. Updates disabled, sorted. Sure, there's still some telemetry and I don't know precisely what it is, but I also don't use that machine for real work, so it's not a concern to me. Certainly not worth spending hours trying to block, especially as my use of the system makes that unviable.
And frankly, forced updates are a net benefit even if I don't like them. The arrogance of the typical ignorant user 'this works fine, don't touch it' creates a large portion of the hostile security environment that makes up the internet. That they choose to include 'feature updates' to lower their maintenance burden is a minor annoyance. That they include so much telemetry and keep resetting things to their preferred defaults is horrible behaviour, which is why I do not choose to employ their software for important tasks. Yes, yes, to get it all over with, I use 'LINUX', clearly I am an idiot who achieves nothing because you don't know how to use my tools.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 01:41:45 pm ---Suppressing all instinct to pick apart the giant ego show..
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One of the primary rules for staying sane on the Internet: Don't show up to every argument you're invited to.
joeqsmith:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 01:41:45 pm ---Suppressing all instinct to pick apart the giant ego show..
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Feel free.
--- Quote --- The arrogance of the typical ignorant user 'this works fine, don't touch it' creates a large portion of the hostile security environment that makes up the internet.
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Odd, it's not magic and I just assumed it was the assholes of the world that create it.
I had noticed as soon as the updates were done, the softheads at MS could not even sort out how to use the old settings at the screen background had changed to black. I had wasted a little time setting things back up but when powered the machine for the first time the following day, it asked me if I would like to set the PC up. Oddly, the fucktards don't have an option to turn this popup off, only remind me later or do it now.
Looking at what had been added to the scheduler. Of course they put the Xbox BS back in again.
Sniffing the traffic for 10 minutes with no user applications running, it does appear to generate a little over two times as many attempts to contact MS compared with prior to these patches.
On power up, it seems to take longer to sort out that it has an internet connection. The Ethernet cable to this PC is always alive.
Besides these few things I haven't noticed any problems. Of course, I haven't noticed any enhancements as well. In the end, it was a loss of a day.
I understand that the 1909 update was not as bad as the 1903 as far as downtime.
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 07, 2020, 01:16:49 pm ---I use Windows 10 at work, where there is a whole IT department making it secure and non-leaky... It isn't too bad at all.
On my lab PC, I run Windows 7, patched up to about service pack 2 equivalent, but no further patching has been done nor will there be done. It is 100% rock solid stable. And... it is not connected to the Internet, at all. Brute force, but it works! :D
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I have 7 on my laptop and doubt I will change it. It's also been very stable. I haven't ran into too many problems with 10. For the most part, it's been stable. I still have to run XP in a virtualbox to gain access to some of my test equipment but slowly I have been porting over my software to support 10.
james_s:
They "upgraded" everyone from 7 to 10 at my previous job and I lived with it for a bit over a year. I've never experienced such a user-hostile operating system as 10 was, it just felt like it was constantly fighting me every step of the way and trying to break my will. It was a real turd at the time too, it has become much more polished since then but it STILL is not as nice looking as 7 and it is still plagued with constant feature updates. My experience with it was so bad that I switched my main work PC to Linux and only ran Windows on my laptop, Linux had improved noticeably since I had last tried it but what really gave it the lead was the fact that Windows had regressed.
They could have avoided a very large part of the controversy by separating security updates from feature updates and UI changes, and by backing off a little on the extremely heavy handed update policy. Users HATE being pushed around, treated like children and told it's for their own good, no matter how valid that is. That and they really should have spent another year polishing the heck out of it before foisting it upon the world. Win10 shipped too soon, it was very half baked and the much touted Edge browser was not even worthy of being called a beta when it shipped. You only get one shot at a first impression and they screwed up royally there.
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