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| SilverSolder:
Microsoft partially lost the plot with Windows 8. The idea behind Windows 8 was to make a unified experience across PCs, tablets, and phones. It could well have worked too, but they had made the serious mistake of forcing the "Modern" UI on standard PCs instead of making it an optional feature. Long time users rebelled and avoided version 8 like the plague. Microsoft lost several years fighting an uphill battle to get the world to accept the new UI ideas. Windows 10 was the capitulation. So here we are, with Windows 10 actually looking and working not that different from Windows 7, certainly not so bad that I can't find my way around in it. But then there is the telemetry and the forced updates to contend with. Eventually, I will have to update everything to use Windows 10, but I am not in a great hurry. It isn't like the old days, where each new version of Windows was an obvious and huge improvement over the previous one... |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 07, 2020, 01:41:45 pm ---The arrogance of the typical ignorant user 'this works fine, don't touch it' creates a large portion of the hostile security environment that makes up the internet. --- End quote --- The corollary would be "this works fine, let's keep changing it until... It doesn't?" :-// Don't bucket everyone that wants to be left alone with their fully working system as arrogant. Pushing innocuous and undesirable GUI updates and being careless to downtime and loss of productivity is the element of arrogance here. Of course this only applies to us peasants, since you are using the Enterprise version with full control over updates and can lecture us all. Thank you for your wisdom oh mighty guru, but I'll pass. :clap: --- Quote from: joeqsmith on July 08, 2020, 11:50:00 am ---Besides these few things I haven't noticed any problems. Of course, I haven't noticed any enhancements as well. In the end, it was a loss of a day. I understand that the 1909 update was not as bad as the 1903 as far as downtime. --- End quote --- That is the issue; security/kernel updates usually don't bring anything visible but are important. The GUI/application/settings are the key contributors to frustration. --- Quote from: james_s on July 09, 2020, 07:02:31 am ---They could have avoided a very large part of the controversy by separating security updates from feature updates and UI changes, and by backing off a little on the extremely heavy handed update policy. Users HATE being pushed around, treated like children and told it's for their own good, no matter how valid that is. That and they really should have spent another year polishing the heck out of it before foisting it upon the world. Win10 shipped too soon, it was very half baked and the much touted Edge browser was not even worthy of being called a beta when it shipped. You only get one shot at a first impression and they screwed up royally there. --- End quote --- Precisely. That would be a nice compromise if Microsoft was seriously concerned about security. However, this approach does not secure a revenue stream. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on July 09, 2020, 01:20:02 pm ---Don't bucket everyone that wants to be left alone with their fully working system as arrogant. Pushing innocuous and undesirable GUI updates and being careless to downtime and loss of productivity is the element of arrogance here. --- End quote --- That's it, only one party is ever wrong.. and it's never you. --- Quote ---Of course this only applies to us peasants, since you are using the Enterprise version with full control over updates and can lecture us all. Thank you for your wisdom oh mighty guru, but I'll pass. :clap: --- End quote --- Who said I have full control? I can choose when it decides to give me everything. That's all I get. But it's reliable. Feel free to use the Enterprise edition yourself. Maybe even LTSC, which is still on 1809. Or at least switch to semi-annual and plan ahead. The other option is to wilfully ignore security updates, potentially leaving yourself vulnerable to loss or being exploited to harm others. I really wish they hadn't put it together this way, but they did. Live with it responsibly or jump ship.. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 09, 2020, 01:12:23 pm --- Microsoft partially lost the plot with Windows 8. The idea behind Windows 8 was to make a unified experience across PCs, tablets, and phones. It could well have worked too, but they had made the serious mistake of forcing the "Modern" UI on standard PCs instead of making it an optional feature. Long time users rebelled and avoided version 8 like the plague. Microsoft lost several years fighting an uphill battle to get the world to accept the new UI ideas. Windows 10 was the capitulation. So here we are, with Windows 10 actually looking and working not that different from Windows 7, certainly not so bad that I can't find my way around in it. But then there is the telemetry and the forced updates to contend with. Eventually, I will have to update everything to use Windows 10, but I am not in a great hurry. It isn't like the old days, where each new version of Windows was an obvious and huge improvement over the previous one... --- End quote --- More people need to realize that Windows is just a glorified program launcher. Every other OS out there encourages the user to pimp their ride. MS always stifles it. Looking at the number of people that complain that W10 interferes with their productivity and concentration. Provide mechanism, not policy. |
| rdl:
I'm probably going to build a new PC later this year. It will have to run Windows 10 because the only reason for it is games. Because of that, unlike every new PC I've built in the past, I'm not looking forward to this one. That's pretty sad. |
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