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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #175 on: July 09, 2020, 11:52:50 pm »
And what is it they're collecting which is so offensive to you?

I don't know and that's the problem.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #176 on: July 10, 2020, 01:22:09 am »
Other alternatives are more encouraging by the day.

There was a point in the mid 90s I though LINUX may become a viable alternative.   NI, Altera and a few other large companies were starting to support it.    Normally they were very specific about what was required and their software would be crippled.    I assume there wasn't a demand as even today you still don't see any major support for it.  The last few times I had planned to look at LINUX, the software I was interested in had been ported to Windows.
Our software runs on Linux natively for about ten years now and I can tell it is a fraction of the Windows user base, only losing to macOS (which is only really popular in the US). However, the status of Linux nowadays is much more mature than in the 1990s (also a user since then) but still requires a great deal of monkey wrenching with the command line - something that for me is second nature but not for the mainstream public.

As for Windows, I still use Vegas and a few other Windows-only software (mostly older versions that I don't intend to pay to upgrade) that could potentially be confined to a VM, as it is easier to manage. The issue is really the jump itself and the fact that even Linux changes quite significantly and at a faster pace than Windows - a LTS Ubuntu, for example, is supported for five years. Still runs? Sure, but it becomes a similar conundrum.

At any rate, I wasn't intending to hijack this with penguin talk. Carry on.
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #177 on: July 10, 2020, 12:56:59 pm »
I posted back when Microsoft duped my wife using their deceptive popup tactics into changing the OS on her laptop.  This was prior to my locking down all MS traffic.  Since then she has moved to a MAC.   It's rare to see her use the Windows PC.   

Once you start locking at the router, you discover some odd things.  For example, duckduckgo.com is touted as the non-tracking, protective search engine.   Ping it and look up who owns the IP.   

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #178 on: July 10, 2020, 01:18:37 pm »
I posted back when Microsoft duped my wife using their deceptive popup tactics into changing the OS on her laptop.  This was prior to my locking down all MS traffic.  Since then she has moved to a MAC.   It's rare to see her use the Windows PC.   

Once you start locking at the router, you discover some odd things.  For example, duckduckgo.com is touted as the non-tracking, protective search engine.   Ping it and look up who owns the IP.   

I guess my filters won't allow pinging duckduckgo.com, I get 100% packet loss...    -  but a WhoIs query didn't return anything untoward.  What are you seeing?


 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #179 on: July 10, 2020, 01:37:53 pm »
I posted back when Microsoft duped my wife using their deceptive popup tactics into changing the OS on her laptop.  This was prior to my locking down all MS traffic.  Since then she has moved to a MAC.   It's rare to see her use the Windows PC.   

Once you start locking at the router, you discover some odd things.  For example, duckduckgo.com is touted as the non-tracking, protective search engine.   Ping it and look up who owns the IP.   

I guess my filters won't allow pinging duckduckgo.com, I get 100% packet loss...    -  but a WhoIs query didn't return anything untoward.  What are you seeing?

See attached.  Also a quick search:
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Microsoft and DuckDuckGo have partnered to provide a search solution that delivers relevant advertisements to you while protecting your privacy. If you click on a Microsoft-provided ad, you will be redirected to the advertiser’s landing page through Microsoft Advertising’s platform. At that point, Microsoft Advertising will use your full IP address and user-agent string so that it can properly process the ad click and charge the advertiser.

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #180 on: July 10, 2020, 01:47:06 pm »
LOL that's funny.

I know a guy who used to work in marketing for a tobacco company.  Over a few beers, he was explaining how all the different brands they sold were essentially the same product, how the "feeling" or "lifestyle" that was being marketed was the main difference.

The example that really stuck in my mind:   For people that hate advertising...  they had a brand that they never advertised or promoted in any way, it was just put on the shelves along with all the regular brands of cigarettes.  The "ad haters" would happily buy this product to avoid feeling manipulated...

At that point I gave up, and just ordered another beer!  :D


 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #181 on: July 10, 2020, 01:53:52 pm »
I found the following:


user@host:~$ traceroute www.duckduckgo.com
traceroute to www.duckduckgo.com (40.89.244.232), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  router (192.168.0.1)  6.144 ms  6.326 ms  6.308 ms
 2  gateway.home (192.168.254.254)  6.491 ms  6.473 ms  6.455 ms
 3  47.184.128.1 (47.184.128.1)  16.556 ms  18.582 ms  18.566 ms
 4  172.102.50.212 (172.102.50.212)  13.711 ms  13.694 ms 172.102.52.90 (172.102.52.90)  11.301 ms
 5  ae8---0.scr02.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net (74.40.3.25)  13.646 ms ae7---0.scr01.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net (74.40.3.17)  8.865 ms  13.610 ms
 6  ae1---0.cbr01.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net (74.40.1.82)  13.598 ms  12.437 ms  11.399 ms
 7  static-74-43-96-185.fnd.frontiernet.net (74.43.96.185)  11.310 ms  8.929 ms  11.232 ms
 8  ae26-0.icr04.dsm05.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.233.68)  27.854 ms  27.832 ms  27.743 ms
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The msn.net says it all.
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #182 on: July 10, 2020, 01:56:53 pm »
Good story, SilverSolder.

One detail, though: nobody truly hates advertising - after all, the internet as we know it is sponsored by it, with all its free goodies and information.  |O
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #183 on: July 10, 2020, 02:08:49 pm »
Good story, SilverSolder.

One detail, though: nobody truly hates advertising - after all, the internet as we know it is sponsored by it, with all its free goodies and information.  |O


Agree -  I don't actually hate advertising either.   I do hate being tracked and stalked, though.  It irritates some deep instinct, like you are being hunted or something.
 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #184 on: July 10, 2020, 03:00:43 pm »
I posted back when Microsoft duped my wife using their deceptive popup tactics into changing the OS on her laptop.  This was prior to my locking down all MS traffic.  Since then she has moved to a MAC.   It's rare to see her use the Windows PC.   
I moved my wife's computer to Windows 8.1 Pro - it is quite easier to keep up and I can turn off much more stuff. Also, it still works fine on her eight year old Toshiba ultrabook Z935 (a fine machine). However, I foresee her having to re-adapt to a Linux machine (she was a developer in a past life) or to a mac of sorts - not sure how that will go down.
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #185 on: July 10, 2020, 03:11:41 pm »
As a software dude sitting on a Mac right now, a Mac is a top notch Unix workstation with a pretty GUI that works. That's best way to sell it to anyone :)

If you can't trust the person or they are perpetual buggerators sell then an iPad if you value your sanity.

Edit: incidentally I canned my windows workstation entirely about a month ago now. I am so fucking done with it now.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #186 on: July 10, 2020, 03:35:16 pm »
As a software dude sitting on a Mac right now, a Mac is a top notch Unix workstation with a pretty GUI that works. That's best way to sell it to anyone :)

If you can't trust the person or they are perpetual buggerators sell then an iPad if you value your sanity.

Edit: incidentally I canned my windows workstation entirely about a month ago now. I am so fucking done with it now.

I've got WAAAY too much Windows software to do that.  I do bottle Windows up inside nice virtual machines, where it becomes almost controllable!
 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #187 on: July 10, 2020, 03:40:42 pm »
Less difficult for me as 99% of what I do is on some remote Linux box somewhere. It was all gain for me. I lost GTA V really and that was it.  :-//

Oh LTspice on macOS sucks balls though I will add. Then again it sucks on windows, just less  :-DD
 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #188 on: July 10, 2020, 06:13:21 pm »
As a software dude sitting on a Mac right now, a Mac is a top notch Unix workstation with a pretty GUI that works. That's best way to sell it to anyone :)

If you can't trust the person or they are perpetual buggerators sell then an iPad if you value your sanity.

Edit: incidentally I canned my windows workstation entirely about a month ago now. I am so fucking done with it now.
MacOS is poop too. Just a different poop flavour.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #189 on: July 10, 2020, 08:29:59 pm »
True but it doesn’t come with a gigantic tapeworm in it.
 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #190 on: July 11, 2020, 09:08:15 am »
This morning I turned on my PC to be greeted with a jubilant installation banner touting the "new Edge Browser from Microsoft". Only option presented: install the turd.
The following banners also only had the option to continue installing. Clicking the cross in the upper right corner to stop this only made the install move one step further.

What kind of behaviour is this? I've never used Edge and have no wish to do so, I have much better browsers installed.

As Edge is part of Windows, and they have a new version of Edge (they changed the rendering engine from their own too Googles Chromium), I guess they saw it as part of your update of the system.

Even if you have not used som parts of your system, it is usually updated regardless. I installed a firmware update to a Keysight scope that I am testing, and it also updated things in the scope that I (yet) had not used.

So I do not find it that very strange. That said I agree they should perhaps informed better about it.

Personally I use Edge (the new Chromium based version) on not only my Windows machine, but also om my two Macs, and my iOS devices (one iPhone and two iPads), and I am very happy with it so far. I think they made an excellent browser, replacing my previous most used one (Chrome) as the default one.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #191 on: July 11, 2020, 09:17:39 am »
I tested the new browser but the Microsoft account sync periodically broke and deleted by bookmarks bar contents. And that’s the sort of stuff I don’t want to have to deal with.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #192 on: July 11, 2020, 09:28:43 am »
True but it doesn’t come with a gigantic tapeworm in it.
It has a fist instead.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #193 on: July 11, 2020, 09:35:11 am »
As Edge is part of Windows, and they have a new version of Edge (they changed the rendering engine from their own too Googles Chromium), I guess they saw it as part of your update of the system.

Even if you have not used som parts of your system, it is usually updated regardless. I installed a firmware update to a Keysight scope that I am testing, and it also updated things in the scope that I (yet) had not used.

So I do not find it that very strange. That said I agree they should perhaps informed better about it.

Personally I use Edge (the new Chromium based version) on not only my Windows machine, but also om my two Macs, and my iOS devices (one iPhone and two iPads), and I am very happy with it so far. I think they made an excellent browser, replacing my previous most used one (Chrome) as the default one.
The Edge Chromium installation is rather obnoxious. No regular update should generate obnoxious shortcuts and a full screen nag screen which is hard to skip. Unfortunately it doesn't end there as it also comes with loads of "telemetry" or tracking. I really don't care they didn't ruin the Chromium experience too much, either is enough to get the boot. It could have been decent but they Microsofted it.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #194 on: July 11, 2020, 09:39:16 am »
True but it doesn’t come with a gigantic tapeworm in it.
It has a fist instead.

I might enjoy that  :-DD
 

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« Reply #195 on: July 11, 2020, 09:45:59 am »
I might enjoy that  :-DD
No kink shaming here. You can count on the TEA thread to lend a hand to a friend in need.  ;D
 
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« Reply #196 on: July 11, 2020, 09:47:18 am »
Hahaha  :-DD
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #197 on: July 11, 2020, 10:27:19 am »
Some Windows 10 update has now permanently broken sleep on my machine as it wakes up at 23:50 every day.  Waste of power and wakes me up as the Windows chime comes on every time the system resumes.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #198 on: July 11, 2020, 12:54:51 pm »
Some Windows 10 update has now permanently broken sleep on my machine as it wakes up at 23:50 every day.  Waste of power and wakes me up as the Windows chime comes on every time the system resumes.
It's a setting. Earlier versions of Windows did this too.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #199 on: July 11, 2020, 02:51:41 pm »
Ran into this with my XP laptop.  Get to the race track, the battery would be dead.   The virus scanner I had installed was able to wake the PC is run it down.   Shit software. 

It appears with the last round of updates to the browser and OS, there are some new IPs that the PC wants to send data to which are also marketing firms.   Amazon for example.   So, for example, not being on Amazons site at all, they seem to be collecting some data as well.   There are others.  A really odd one is LinkedIn.  I have never had an account with them and have no interest in the services they provide.  I wonder what information they could possible find useful.


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