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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #250 on: August 07, 2020, 11:24:35 am »
The entire internet has become a privacy mess. The main problem is how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. act as if having an connection gives them the right to do as they please with it. Probably 99% of the people that use computers have no idea how much is really going on without their knowledge.

The trick, I guess, is - don't connect any "serious" computer to the Internet!  :D

Keep Internet connectivity on a separate machine that is used for communications, and anything valuable on the isolated one.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #251 on: August 07, 2020, 02:03:38 pm »
The entire internet has become a privacy mess. The main problem is how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. act as if having an connection gives them the right to do as they please with it.
Well, I dislike this as much as anyone else, but somenody has to pay for all this infrastructure and energy... The golden egg is targeted advertisement...

Probably 99% of the people that use computers have no idea how much is really going on without their knowledge.
True for that and for pretty much most aspects of life... We "in the know" suffer the most.
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #252 on: August 07, 2020, 02:06:04 pm »
That's one thing I got to give MS at least their OSes are more stable than before now.   :P
Thank Linux for that - remember how Linux just started becoming practical for everyday desktop use?

LOL no. It’s just as if even not more broken than windows.
I remember there were talks around Win 2000 or XP that Microsoft was surreptitiously using open source software to improve their own OSes. If that is true, then it would be one aspect where Linux would be thanked.

But yes, I agree Linux it is just a different type of mess.
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #253 on: August 07, 2020, 03:18:56 pm »
They did. Half the network stack in windows 2000 was from BSD. They should have stolen the rest of it while they were there and run win32 on top of it.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #254 on: August 07, 2020, 06:19:59 pm »
The entire internet has become a privacy mess. The main problem is how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. act as if having an connection gives them the right to do as they please with it. Probably 99% of the people that use computers have no idea how much is really going on without their knowledge.

The trick, I guess, is - don't connect any "serious" computer to the Internet!  :D

Keep Internet connectivity on a separate machine that is used for communications, and anything valuable on the isolated one.

That is exactly what QubesOS ( https://www.qubes-os.org/ ) does, except that it's done all on one PC in virtual machines. If you're a privacy nerd this OS is the dog's bollocks.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #255 on: August 07, 2020, 06:36:06 pm »
The entire internet has become a privacy mess. The main problem is how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. act as if having an connection gives them the right to do as they please with it.
Well, I dislike this as much as anyone else, but somenody has to pay for all this infrastructure and energy... The golden egg is targeted advertisement...

While I somewhat understand your point, I pay a lot of money to Comcast every month for my internet connection and places like Amazon are not exactly giving stuff away. Seems like that should be more than enough to cover their costs. My main problem is the lack of control and awareness that end users have of exactly what data is transferred over the two way internet connection. The big tech companies basically steal anything and everything they can as long as it's not specifically forbidden by law.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #256 on: August 07, 2020, 06:42:24 pm »
I remember there were talks around Win 2000 or XP that Microsoft was surreptitiously using open source software to improve their own OSes. If that is true, then it would be one aspect where Linux would be thanked.
The IP stack in Windows 2000 is the most famous example. It wasn't surreptitious. It was openly admitted and they followed the Berkeley license.
 
The first versions of Windows (through 3.11 I believe) were written on computers running Xenix. Internally, Microsoft uses Git (originally written by Linus Torvalds) for version control since 2017 or so. Microsoft has it's own flavor of debian that it runs on the network switches in its data centers. MS-SQL 2019 was released for Linux. Recent versions of Win10 can run Linux code (essentially doing the reverse of WINE). In 2015, the CEO of MS put up the slide below in a press conference. Finally, over 50% of all hosts in Azure run Linux.
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #257 on: August 07, 2020, 06:48:03 pm »
Also to point out, the Microsoft .Net framework was originally written on Unix machines and used Perl as the build toolchain. Oh and you could get IE4 on Solaris and HP/UX
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #258 on: August 07, 2020, 06:54:24 pm »
The entire internet has become a privacy mess. The main problem is how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. act as if having an connection gives them the right to do as they please with it.
Well, I dislike this as much as anyone else, but somenody has to pay for all this infrastructure and energy... The golden egg is targeted advertisement...

While I somewhat understand your point, I pay a lot of money to Comcast every month for my internet connection and places like Amazon are not exactly giving stuff away. Seems like that should be more than enough to cover their costs. My main problem is the lack of control and awareness that end users have of exactly what data is transferred over the two way internet connection. The big tech companies basically steal anything and everything they can as long as it's not specifically forbidden by law.

The law is way behind the facts on the ground here, things are moving so fast.  The law is further behind in the US than the EU.  I don't know what the situation is in China.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #259 on: August 07, 2020, 06:55:46 pm »
They did. Half the network stack in windows 2000 was from BSD. They should have stolen the rest of it while they were there and run win32 on top of it.

That might be the long term future of Windows...  - it worked for Apple...
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #260 on: August 07, 2020, 07:04:13 pm »
For some reason I keep reading "the impedance of Microsoft".  :palm:
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #261 on: August 07, 2020, 07:09:32 pm »
Generating "smart noise" would be very hard to prevent and to make illegal.  Say you are interested in Gillette shaving foam...  your noisy search tool might create several decoy searches along with the real search terms,  resulting in searches for "Mars Bar", "Vacations in Peru", "The relative merits of Constitutional Monarchy vs. Republic", "Gillette Shaving Foam", and "Cloning sheep Dolly".    Not much traffic at all, certainly not enough to be considered denial of service or network abuse.  But there is no way for Google and other predators to know which of your searches is a decoy search and which is real.  So the effectiveness of their algorithms matching searchers and sellers takes a big hit, becoming much less effective. 

If enough people did this, it would hurt them badly, because now the wrong ads get put in front of the intended audience, and the value of the advertising "space" drops as a result.

The real search will be the one where the results get clicked on. Couldn't be easier for them to figure out.
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #262 on: August 07, 2020, 07:17:46 pm »
For some reason I keep reading "the impedance of Microsoft".  :palm:

 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #263 on: August 07, 2020, 07:31:16 pm »
For some reason I keep reading "the impedance of Microsoft".  :palm:


No, No. Its 120 pi ohms.
 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #264 on: August 07, 2020, 07:41:02 pm »
 :-DD sneaky
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #265 on: August 07, 2020, 10:44:52 pm »
For some reason I keep reading "the impedance of Microsoft".  :palm:

As long as your LCR meter isn't displaying the "impudence" of the DUT, you are probably going to be fine!  :D
 

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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #266 on: August 08, 2020, 01:22:19 am »
Well, I dislike this as much as anyone else, but somenody has to pay for all this infrastructure and energy... The golden egg is targeted advertisement...
Easy solution: Adblock!
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #267 on: August 08, 2020, 08:01:44 am »
Easier solution: EU.

“If you don’t want a £4bn fine then turn it off”

I reckon that will happen this year.
 
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Re: The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
« Reply #268 on: August 08, 2020, 06:53:41 pm »
Fine should be 4 bil for every day that it has not been done, then it goes up exponentially every week.  If it's a one time thing MS will just pay it and not change a thing.  It's basically like parking in the fire zone for them.  Big ticket but you can survive it.
 


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