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The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights
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rdl:

--- Quote from: rsjsouza on August 07, 2020, 02:03:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: rdl on August 07, 2020, 05:04:06 am ---The entire internet has become a privacy mess. The main problem is how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. act as if having an connection gives them the right to do as they please with it.
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Well, I dislike this as much as anyone else, but somenody has to pay for all this infrastructure and energy... The golden egg is targeted advertisement...

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While I somewhat understand your point, I pay a lot of money to Comcast every month for my internet connection and places like Amazon are not exactly giving stuff away. Seems like that should be more than enough to cover their costs. My main problem is the lack of control and awareness that end users have of exactly what data is transferred over the two way internet connection. The big tech companies basically steal anything and everything they can as long as it's not specifically forbidden by law.
duckduck:

--- Quote from: rsjsouza on August 07, 2020, 02:06:04 pm ---I remember there were talks around Win 2000 or XP that Microsoft was surreptitiously using open source software to improve their own OSes. If that is true, then it would be one aspect where Linux would be thanked.

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The IP stack in Windows 2000 is the most famous example. It wasn't surreptitious. It was openly admitted and they followed the Berkeley license.
 
The first versions of Windows (through 3.11 I believe) were written on computers running Xenix. Internally, Microsoft uses Git (originally written by Linus Torvalds) for version control since 2017 or so. Microsoft has it's own flavor of debian that it runs on the network switches in its data centers. MS-SQL 2019 was released for Linux. Recent versions of Win10 can run Linux code (essentially doing the reverse of WINE). In 2015, the CEO of MS put up the slide below in a press conference. Finally, over 50% of all hosts in Azure run Linux.
bd139:
Also to point out, the Microsoft .Net framework was originally written on Unix machines and used Perl as the build toolchain. Oh and you could get IE4 on Solaris and HP/UX
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: rdl on August 07, 2020, 06:36:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on August 07, 2020, 02:03:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: rdl on August 07, 2020, 05:04:06 am ---The entire internet has become a privacy mess. The main problem is how companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. act as if having an connection gives them the right to do as they please with it.
--- End quote ---
Well, I dislike this as much as anyone else, but somenody has to pay for all this infrastructure and energy... The golden egg is targeted advertisement...

--- End quote ---

While I somewhat understand your point, I pay a lot of money to Comcast every month for my internet connection and places like Amazon are not exactly giving stuff away. Seems like that should be more than enough to cover their costs. My main problem is the lack of control and awareness that end users have of exactly what data is transferred over the two way internet connection. The big tech companies basically steal anything and everything they can as long as it's not specifically forbidden by law.

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The law is way behind the facts on the ground here, things are moving so fast.  The law is further behind in the US than the EU.  I don't know what the situation is in China.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: bd139 on August 07, 2020, 03:18:56 pm ---They did. Half the network stack in windows 2000 was from BSD. They should have stolen the rest of it while they were there and run win32 on top of it.

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That might be the long term future of Windows...  - it worked for Apple...
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