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The impudence of Microsoft has reached new (criminal?) heights

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james_s:
Operating system GUIs and office productivity software are problems that were solved decades ago. What sort of innovation are you expecting? The Windows UI severely regressed with 8 and further with 10. The only thing keeping me on Windows at this point is that the Win7 UI is still more polished than any of the Linux window managers I've tried. Office hasn't added anything compelling since the late 90s, I went with Libre Office last time I set up a PC because I couldn't be bothered to go dig out my MS Office installation disc.

NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2020, 04:29:52 am ---The only thing keeping me on Windows at this point is that the Win7 UI is still more polished than any of the Linux window managers I've tried.

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Strangely, "polished" apparently does not include having the small but very useful feature called the always on top button, something Linux has had for well over 20 years. Nview can add it if the PC has a Nvidia GPU.

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 20, 2020, 08:48:30 pm ---Throwing in noise is one way to discourage such data collection in the first place, especially if it's hard to distinguish from real data.

Another thing that helps a lot is using adblocking. In fact, many users don't like how targeted advertising seems to be "stalking" them and start using adblockers for that reason. (Although if you're using noise injection, checking ads is a good way to see how effective it is - if they're no longer relevant, it's probably working.)

It's just a matter of generating noise and presenting it to the telemetry. If you don't do anything that gives telemetry real data, then what it's collecting would be all fake.

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Again, show us how you do it.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on June 20, 2020, 10:34:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 20, 2020, 10:34:03 pm ---So it is beyond the wit of man to eject it into user space during / after a system installation?

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Which part of it being part of the read-only system image confuses?


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It is perfectly clear that some applications are being distributed as part of the system image - thank you for emphasizing.

The actual question is,  why can't the non-essential applications be uninstalled?  Does it really matter how they were distributed?

Kleinstein:
It helps the programming of apps if the systems look all similar. So there is some sense in having some functions on all systems, even if most users don't use them of don't want them. If is one of the weak points of linux that there are so many variations. Already now MS has quite some problems checking there updates, that they don't break too many systems.

Chances are the phone companies get money for having some software pre-installed one the phones.

With the phones there is the additional difficulty that some of the system tasks should not be open to the user. So they have a good reason not to allow root access to the owners / users.

I also got the unwanted Brower update with only accept button. At least under Win 8.2 the install shield did block the update (at least stopped any further dialog).

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