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The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« on: April 24, 2012, 05:38:44 am »


This shit was bound to happen. Once you've got the quadcopter part down, retrofitting an off-the-shelf weapon system would be relatively trivial. I'm so gonna lose my security clearance for discussing this. :-\
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 05:55:33 am »
oh well it could have been worse and been a yank. just wait till a yank makes one then it will be trouble ! this is the sort of stuff that youyube should not allow.
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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 05:57:41 am »
Not long till the first quadcopter school massacre now.
Next US bans quadcopters and videos thereof, doesn't even consider banning guns  8)
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 06:05:56 am »
oh well it could have been worse and been a yank. just wait till a yank makes one then it will be trouble ! this is the sort of stuff that youyube should not allow.

He is a Yank...with a faux Russian accent...and evidently a Class III firearms license. :P
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 06:11:51 am »
Not long till the first quadcopter school massacre now.
Next US bans quadcopters and videos thereof, doesn't even consider banning guns  8)

Oh believe me, it's been considered to death. If the US ever decides that it's no longer constitutional for its citizens to bear arms, I'll willingly and gladly renounce my citizenship.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 06:16:08 am »
LOL.  That quadcopter is about as fake as that guy's accent.  That's pretty good CGI but CGI, nevertheless.  I think this is just an ad for a Call of Duty video game.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 06:18:44 am »
Not long till the first quadcopter school massacre now.
Next US bans quadcopters and videos thereof, doesn't even consider banning guns  8)

Oh believe me, it's been considered to death. If the US ever decides that it's no longer constitutional for its citizens to bear arms, I'll willingly and gladly renounce my citizenship.

Don't worry they'd rather ban schools  ;D
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 06:33:10 am »
LOL.  That quadcopter is about as fake as that guy's accent.  That's pretty good CGI but CGI, nevertheless.  I think this is just an ad for a Call of Duty video game.

Party pooper. :P
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2012, 06:45:56 am »
LOL.  That quadcopter is about as fake as that guy's accent.  That's pretty good CGI but CGI, nevertheless.  I think this is just an ad for a Call of Duty video game.

I must admit I thought that was a lot of weight for a quadcopter, even with the bigger props as it would need a lot of battery power. oh well hopefully it gets taken down, it is no real value to society, fake or non.
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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2012, 07:11:44 am »
The recoil from that gun would flip that thing over.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 07:26:24 am »
The recoil from that gun would flip that thing over.

With the proclaimed 100-round payload, the thing likely wouldn't be able to get off the ground. Also, if you've ever disassembled an AR, it becomes immediately clear that the weapon system is a complete fraud. :P
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 09:56:00 am »
If the gun was of the type where the rounds are consecutively placed in the barrel one behind the other and electronically fired  the weapon would be about right the weight would also be lower due to no cartridges and no breech and bolt mechanism, so the gun could be made  there are such types already in production made in Australia I believe but much larger with multiple barrels for use as ship defense.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 10:28:21 am »
If the gun was of the type where the rounds are consecutively placed in the barrel one behind the other and electronically fired  the weapon would be about right the weight would also be lower due to no cartridges and no breech and bolt mechanism, so the gun could be made  there are such types already in production made in Australia I believe but much larger with multiple barrels for use as ship

1:02 into the video says this is neither a rail gun nor some pneumatic variant. It's a barrel, heat shield, and some cheap plastic tube wrap secured with string...and there's no way everything else necessary to launch projectiles with deadly force is all shoved in that tube wrap. :P
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2012, 11:28:30 am »
Oh believe me, it's been considered to death. If the US ever decides that it's no longer constitutional for its citizens to bear arms, I'll willingly and gladly renounce my citizenship.
I realise this is going to be a potential can of worms, I dare say that living without guns is actually quite good!
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2012, 02:37:27 pm »
The idea of assassin robots was brought up in an unsuccessful movie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_%281984_film%29

Written by Michael Crichton.  When I saw it I knew it was easily doable; today they are remotely controlled rather than autonomous, but full autonomy can easily be achieved.

When U. of Penn engineering school released these robots to fanfare and interest:

http://www.upenn.edu/spotlights/penn-quadrotors-ted

I wrote them and commented that putting a fairly light and small charge of plastic, these robots were perfect for making kamikaze runs.  Every comment I left went unanswered and on blog were deleted.



They received funding from DARPA.  Although the robots have dual use, the military application finds more likely growth to further reduce troop exposures to enemy fire particularly for enhance sniper effectiveness and reconnaissance runs, particular where satellites are blind: indoors and underground, making future project funding effectively guaranteed.

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 03:11:05 pm »
If the gun was of the type where the rounds are consecutively placed in the barrel one behind the other and electronically fired  the weapon would be about right the weight would also be lower due to no cartridges and no breech and bolt mechanism, so the gun could be made  there are such types already in production made in Australia I believe but much larger with multiple barrels for use as ship

1:02 into the video says this is neither a rail gun nor some pneumatic variant. It's a barrel, heat shield, and some cheap plastic tube wrap secured with string...and there's no way everything else necessary to launch projectiles with deadly force is all shoved in that tube wrap. :P
I know what is shown is not real I am just saying there are weapon systems which could be built light enough you do not need an AR as such just a tube loaded with projectiles and propellant, fired electronically as shown in the video link I provided, These weapons have no mechanical breech just a barrel pre loaded.   
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 03:57:12 pm »
I know what is shown is not real I am just saying there are weapon systems which could be built light enough you do not need an AR as such just a tube loaded with projectiles and propellant, fired electronically as shown in the video link I provided, These weapons have no mechanical breech just a barrel pre loaded.

This "electronic firing" that you vaguely allude to evades my imagination. The way how I see, it's gotta be either pneumatic, mechanical, or rail gun...otherwise, a breeched cartridge design would be necessary.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 05:41:21 pm »
A tube containing a stack of charges each one topped by a projectile each one has an electrical connection that fires it each circuit is controlled by a micro processor so that each projectile can be fired in sequence no mechanics and no kinematics. 
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 06:06:52 pm »
A tube containing a stack of charges each one topped by a projectile...

...and the mysterious cartridge reveals itself. :P
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 08:04:49 pm »
Look at this link.   http://www.metalstorm.com/content/view/66/110/  It explains the system concept.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2012, 10:37:26 pm »
These weapons have no mechanical breech just a barrel pre loaded.   

...otherwise, a breeched cartridge design would be necessary.

http://www.metalstorm.com/content/view/64/109/

...which is a breeched cartridge design, as previously mentioned.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 04:34:17 am »
A tube containing a stack of charges each one topped by a projectile each one has an electrical connection that fires it each circuit is controlled by a micro processor so that each projectile can be fired in sequence no mechanics and no kinematics.

An electronic musket?
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 08:14:11 am »
An electronic musket?

I highly doubt they're muzzle loaded...that would def be a step in the wrong direction no matter how extravagant the ammo may be.
 

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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2012, 08:54:30 am »
With the first ones which came out in the early 90's the barrel assembly was not reusable the whole tube was replaced. If you have a cartridge in the barrel the next round could jam with disastrous results. Today they use conventional warheads but they attach their own tailpiece which is the propellant, no cartridge is involved just like muzzle loaders, I do not know from which end the loading is achieved but with the metal storm type system where the launch tube is discarded it really does not matter, its done in the factory, its military stuff and cost wont come into it.     
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Re: The inevitable fate of quadcopters...
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2012, 10:45:03 pm »
oh well it could have been worse and been a yank. just wait till a yank makes one then it will be trouble ! this is the sort of stuff that youyube should not allow.

He is a Yank...with a faux Russian accent...and evidently a Class III firearms license. :P

He's got more than that. I don't know what kind of connections he has, but they've got to be pretty good. I don't know what it takes to be able to test fire prototype military equipment on You Tube, but I'm very surprised that it's even possible.  He had an episode where he dual wielded AA-12s, and everything I have read about that gun says that there is no civilian availability of that weapon, nor is any version planned.

Maybe it is all faked. I wouldn't be surprised.
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