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| Mark_O:
--- Quote from: darkith on March 30, 2010, 05:51:10 pm ---I don't know if they'd... they might change... or just lock out... I wonder if perhaps... If they did change... it could be an interesting headache. That would make upgrading existing scopes (hacked or not) tricky/impossible. And I wonder if ... Ahh well, all speculation. Though it does make me very curious... --- End quote --- Yes, curious indeed. Now that the "secret" is out, and being broadcast worldwide, I suggest we turn our discussions to possible ways that Rigol could lock these types of hacks out. As we come up with each idea for a potential lock, we can look for ways to circumvent it. Really put our minds to it. Once we have come up with a methodology that is impervious to hacking, then we can e-mail that to Rigol Engineering. That will save them a lot of time and trouble implementing weaker solutions. ::) I'm not trying to pick on you, darkith. Just pointing out that public speculation on issues like this are unlikely to be helpful to us in the long run. - Mark |
| Mark_O:
--- Quote from: Simon on March 30, 2010, 06:29:06 pm ---I'm not software expert... --- End quote --- Agreed. --- Quote ---but I can see how easy the mod was (even I managed it) --- End quote --- You're joking, right? It was obvious AND easy, in the end, but that didn't stop you from being baffled and delay your "upgrade" for a long time, while you played the "thousand question game". --- Quote ---i'm sure rigol can come up with something more substantial if they put their minds to it --- End quote --- Oh, absolutely! Nothing in my comments should be construed otherwise. They won't even need to think that hard. I was just pointing out that none of your ideas made any sense. ;) - Mark |
| Mark_O:
--- Quote from: rf-loop on March 30, 2010, 12:29:14 pm ---So I think we need continue more public discussions to push factory make good stop for modifications. We can teach them to do hack proof scopes. Maybe they make nearly "waterproof" next revision. (or this what I have now is just this) --- End quote --- Exactly! Now that's what I'm talking about. :) - Mark |
| darkith:
--- Quote from: Mark_O on March 30, 2010, 06:34:32 pm --- I'm not trying to pick on you, darkith. Just pointing out that public speculation on issues like this are unlikely to be helpful to us in the long run. - Mark --- End quote --- Heck, I should be flattered that you think my speculation is dangerous enough to be unhelpful in the long run. But, IMHO, the cat is already well out of the bag, and has long left the area. So, I figured a little speculation on what could be a Mark2 bag (now with kevlar thread?) shouldn't be too harmful. If Rigol has any decent developers (and they must to have produced a pretty decent scope), they'll quickly realize (or have) the folly of "security through obscurity" and would be smart enough to come up with a reasonable fix to this hack. The really annoying thing about this sort of hack is that it's almost a lose-lose. Spread the information (and in today's age, it'll spread far and wide quickly) and the company will disable it sooner or later. Keep it secret, and only a handful of privileged people "in the know" will find out about it, and the big abusers will be the shady companies who will buy 1052Es and re-sell them as 1102Es with a new sticker on them. Similar things happen with the copy-protection/anti-mod hacks on the game consoles (Xboxes, Wiis, etc). D. |
| mlaargh:
--- Quote from: rf-loop on March 30, 2010, 12:29:14 pm ---Day ago I get new DS1052E from China. Command modification did NOT work as before! --- End quote --- Man, that makes me nervous... Did you get yours from DealExtreme? I have one sitting in US customs right now that I ordered through them last Monday. Hopefully my unit will be in the clear! Anyone else have pending deliveries or problems upgrading? |
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