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Offline HackedFridgeMagnet

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2015, 12:59:34 am »
Correct me if I'm wrong - but whenever I've developed an embedded web solution - I found it was my page code that created weird rendering...  in each different browser... (e.g. <\unclosed> or <nest><ed> tags etc)
Yes these errors can be catastrophic or completely fine. And IE was the browser that could render even the worst, most error filled html.
But to fix that bit is fairly easy, you just run each page it through the online W3C checker tool. And get it to the point where there are no errors and very few warnings.

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At least a page developer would KNOW their page will display identically on all 'compliant' browser platforms - then if the vendor choose to step outside the fence - the weird results are theirs to manage however they want...
That was my worry, I had tested on all the major browsers, (Safari too, and Opera) but hadn't tested on IE6 because I didn't think anyone in their right mind would be using it.
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I guess there should ideally be a baseline minimal set of rendering tests that EVERY browser should support identically - no (rounded) buttons, or reinterpreting [margins], c har a c  t er spacing etc) - then a 'B' version for whatever extensions that vendor wants to bury themselves with.
IMO this is core to the achievement and difficulty of Html. Giving data and also the information about suggested rendering to whatever client it is, but giving them the scope to actually render it how they want.
It's a very difficult standard, and I think Html 5 was a huge leap forward.
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W3 also caught on slow by not specifying how an html element should be rendered. CSS was stacked on top of the smoking turd to straighten everything out. But a mess it is.
Lol, yes but there were never any easy ways to do this.
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2015, 09:39:31 am »
Given long enough, did Vista *ever* stop grinding away at the hard disc?

I never had the patience with it to find out. What was it doing anyway?

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2015, 02:13:29 pm »
While I don't doubt that some people have had a bad experience with Vista, it is unworthy of its bad reputation. The people I know who had trouble with it installed pre-SP1 on very old computers and didn't like that they couldn't handle it. MS to some degree did it to them-self by listing system requirements that simply were wrong.

Both Windows ME and Windows 8 were absolutely terrible. Vista had many great improvements over XP and does not deserve to be lumped in with those messes.

I ran Vista on a PC that I built and was very happy with it. The new security features we way better than what I was doing with XP of running both an admin and non-admin account. Performance was great but my PC was designed for it. This was during a time that people were very stingy with the amount of RAM they put in a system even though RAM was cheap. I wasn't stingy about this. Also the improved video driver mechanism kept the system stable in scenarios where I had crashes and reboots on XP.

It is quite true to that Windows 7 is essentially Windows Vista with a new name. People just are running it on PC that are designed for it and aren't biased by a few bad experiences.
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2015, 03:07:47 pm »
I don't think it's possible to make an OS worse than ME...
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2015, 04:21:01 pm »
I don't think it's possible to make an OS worse than ME...

Did you never use MS-DOS 4.0? Or AmigaDOS, or TOS...
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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2015, 05:08:02 pm »
I don't think it's possible to make an OS worse than ME...

Did you never use MS-DOS 4.0? Or AmigaDOS, or TOS...

Or for that matter.. Windows 2 or 3 or 3.1.

 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2015, 08:31:58 pm »
I had a set of ME disks complete with the key, in a card that I got a while ago. When I came upon it sitting in a corner I looked at it, decided it would not even make a good coaster and tossed it in the bin after snapping the discs into pieces. Still have the box full of Netware 3.x with the manuals, and the box set with Win95, on 720k stiffy discs.
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2015, 08:50:58 pm »
I don't think it's possible to make an OS worse than ME...

Did you never use MS-DOS 4.0? Or AmigaDOS, or TOS...
I'm 28. I used some variant of DOS on one of my Dad's computers but exclusively for playing games... my first true experience manipulating an OS was through ME... 'nough said. I was on '98 SE when XP was released, stayed on '98 well into XP's heyday.
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2015, 11:52:02 pm »
I don't think it's possible to make an OS worse than ME...

Microsoft should have compensated the victims of Windows ME at least with a discount on the purchase of another O/S, but Gates and Bullmer seemed to have loved money too much. Any decent company would have provided financial help for a reliable replacement in good faith.

IBM's infamous Deskstar hard disks ("Deathstar") were ultra unreliable. IBM honoured the US lemon laws with cash compensation to the victims of IBM's Deathstar, but they thumbed their noses at the rest of the world who were left with a paperweight and no compensation. In trying to save money for their shareholders, IBM killed its reputation and lost customers for life. I have only ever used Seagate since... a company I can trust.
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2015, 11:53:28 pm »
I have only ever used Seagate since... a company I can trust.

Yes, at least Seagate offered free data recovery for their craptastic drives worldwide. Although I don't think they've ever compensated anyone for those hybrid things.
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2015, 12:32:56 am »
I'm really looking forward to upgrade my dev machine from Win7 to Windows 10: No more drivers required for USB CDC serial. Simply plug it in and a new COM port shows up within seconds! Yay!

I tried the preview on an old Notebook and it works as advertised.

I wonder what took them so long  :palm:
 

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Re: The witch is dead...
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2015, 06:01:28 am »
I don't think it's possible to make an OS worse than ME...

Microsoft should have compensated the victims of Windows ME at least with a discount on the purchase of another O/S, but Gates and Bullmer seemed to have loved money too much. Any decent company would have provided financial help for a reliable replacement in good faith.

IBM's infamous Deskstar hard disks ("Deathstar") were ultra unreliable. IBM honoured the US lemon laws with cash compensation to the victims of IBM's Deathstar, but they thumbed their noses at the rest of the world who were left with a paperweight and no compensation. In trying to save money for their shareholders, IBM killed its reputation and lost customers for life. I have only ever used Seagate since... a company I can trust.

I used 2 slightly used ( they were in a server for a decade) Deathstar 1G SCSI drives in my computer as scratch drives, with one having the entire 1G devoted to a fixed swap partition for XP. The other one was the one that died after about 2 years.... I just could not find space to install the full height 4G Seagate brick that was the remaining drive from this Phillips server. It still boots, and has Redhat on it.
 


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