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This doesn't make sense - NYT article about a solar installation in the US
bdunham7:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on October 30, 2021, 01:37:26 am ---But supply of power is based on economics.
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Unfortunately not.
But supply of power is based on economics politics.
Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: Someone on October 30, 2021, 02:48:38 am ---The grids don't have spare generation capacity, or spare carrying capacity right now (recent outages/curtailments and inability to carry more distributed solar). Neither do the grids have trajectories or plans in place to grow at the rate required by electrification of transport by 2040/2050/etc.
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The time from now until 2040/2050 is a long time to provide what ever cabling is needed to be just enough for normal supply. Nobody is going to do it on the off chance electric cars become a big hit.
Temporary, localized drop outs are the future because the ramp-up of loads have become orders of magnitude bigger than what we have gotten used to. I'm not disagreeing with you. But infrastructure occurs after development. Always will.
tszaboo:
So if I know anything from the USA, there are three pretty basic solutions to any problem.
1.) Shoot it with a gun. Transformer blows up, they install a new one. Or:
2.) Sue them for millions of dollars. Or:
3.) Wave a flag, and claim you're the land of the free and chant whichever part of the constitution.
I think 1 and 2 would actually work.
james_s:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on October 30, 2021, 04:18:39 am ---The time from now until 2040/2050 is a long time to provide what ever cabling is needed to be just enough for normal supply. Nobody is going to do it on the off chance electric cars become a big hit.
Temporary, localized drop outs are the future because the ramp-up of loads have become orders of magnitude bigger than what we have gotten used to. I'm not disagreeing with you. But infrastructure occurs after development. Always will.
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Off chance? It has already happened, electric cars already are a huge hit. The area where I live is absolutely crawling with Teslas, the model 3 is one of the top selling cars in the world.
PaulAm:
There''s this odd belief in the US that electric utilities exist to generate and distribute electricity. That may have been true at one point, but today their sole purpose is to generate money.
My electric bill is split between distribution and generation charges. The distribution charges are always greater than the actual cost of electricity. Despite having the highest (or maybe second highest) electricity rates in the country, we got nailed by a 5 day outage earlier this year from Summer storms. "We'll do better" they say, just let us raises our rates some more!
I get oodles of ads about "green investment" and "green power" by the utility. It's fine when they put up the farms and charge you a premium. For local solar arrays, they are phasing out net metering and will eventually be charging for every watt that goes across their meter. When I put up my array, I could only put up about half of my yearly demand, and I had to fight for that.
I picked up another 25KW of panels earlier this year and will eventually be moving to off-grid. Reasonable storage is the biggest obstacle at this point, but a couple technologies look promising and there might be something available when I get there.
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