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| james_s:
--- Quote from: rstofer on November 02, 2021, 02:42:52 am ---In terms of the HVAC, the utility could look at the demand on the revenue meter and expect a reduction from not running the compressor. If they didn't see the reduction, they could make a pretty good guess. As to bypassing the revenue meter: The utility has a lot of comparative information. If you 3,000 sf house is using demonstrably less energy than your next door neighbors 3000 sf house, they might start to suspect something. A lot of people have used inductive coupling from overhead HV lines and that too is theft: https://www.industrytap.com/electromagnetic-harvesters-free-lunch-or-theft/1805 There's nothing new here, every possible scheme has been tried and detected. The utilities employ some pretty bright folks. --- End quote --- The energy consumed by my air conditioning is absolutely dwarfed by what the hot tub uses if I fire that up, it doubles my electric bill. A day of air conditioning on a moderately hot day is roughly equivalent to running two loads of laundry through the dryer. I really don't think there would be a useful amount of data in the overall consumption to make an accusation. According to the comparison graph on my bill, my average electricity consumption is dramatically less than most of my neighbors, unless I'm running the hot tub, which I do sporadically depending on the weather and how busy I am. I would argue that inductive coupling from overhead lines is not theft. If it is, then the electromagnetic radiation is trespassing on my property. If somebody doesn't want me to utilize something that's in the air, keep it off of my property. I apply the same logic to radio waves, if someone doesn't want me receiving them and listening, don't transmit them near me. |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: james_s on November 02, 2021, 06:00:52 am ---I would argue that inductive coupling from overhead lines is not theft. If it is, then the electromagnetic radiation is trespassing on my property. If somebody doesn't want me to utilize something that's in the air, keep it off of my property. I apply the same logic to radio waves, if someone doesn't want me receiving them and listening, don't transmit them near me. --- End quote --- You can make that argument, and I am reasonably sure somebody has, but it will come down to them being a public utility and your rights are out the window. Think 'eminent domain'... Sure, only a government agency can invoke it but they can turn it over to whomever they wish - like a public utility. From experience, I can tell you that you don't want to lay wire on the ground under a 115 kV bus works. No, I didn't get hammered but I could see the effect with a non-contact voltage detector. I don't think inductive coupling will be effective at low residential voltages but I can't say I ever tried it. I once had a gas fired hot tub and it could do some serious damage to the utility bill. |
| Bud:
--- Quote from: rstofer on November 02, 2021, 04:50:14 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on November 02, 2021, 06:00:52 am ---... If somebody doesn't want me to utilize something that's in the air, keep it off of my property. I apply the same logic to radio waves, if someone doesn't want me receiving them and listening, don't transmit them near me. --- End quote --- You can make that argument, and I am reasonably sure somebody has --- End quote --- Yes i remember an incident where an iPad was stolen and the thief put it in his garage. The owner was able to track down the location using Find my iPad feature , brought the police with them and activated the alarm sound on the iPad over the air to demonstrate to the police that the device was on the property. They busted the thief who then brought trespassing charges in defence that air waves to activate the alarm tresspassed his property. The judge threw that argument out. |
| james_s:
Well that thieve's argument is ridiculous. Obviously it's not feasible to keep radio waves off of a person's property, my only argument there is that if the radio waves are there, I'm within my rights to receive them and listen to the contents. Back in the days of analog cellular phones the cellular companies managed to lobby through a law making it illegal to receive the un-encrypted analog transmissions. All scanners sold were required to have those frequencies locked out but it was usually not hard to unlock them. I have yet to ever see a Radio Shack Pro-2004/2005/2006 scanner that didn't have the cellular mod done. It's ridiculous to make it illegal to receive a signal that is freely in the air. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: Bassman59 on November 01, 2021, 08:08:55 pm ---Where am I going to store this water? --- End quote --- Isn't everything big over there? American airconditioner heatpumps seem to be the size of an IBC to begin with. Though I agree, if you can't just hide an insulated IBC in a huge yard it will bring considerable costs to bury it. Heatpumps with significant storage make more sense for new buildings and renovations. |
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