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TimFox:
A beam of positive ions (e.g. protons or ionized heavier atoms such as alpha particles) through an electrostatic field from source to target.  Traditionally called “canal rays” (q.v.).
MIS42N:

--- Quote from: TimFox on March 03, 2021, 10:13:23 pm ---A beam of positive ions (e.g. protons or ionized heavier atoms sumac as alpha particles) through an electrostatic field from source to target.  Traditionally called “canal rays” (q.v.).

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To create positive ions, have to move electrons as well. They will migrate through the environment to recombine with the ions at the destination. Similar to P doped semiconductor. To create an electrostatic field strip or add charge carriers (electrons or +ve body - ion, proton etc). To regain status quo, move a carrier of the other potential. Somewhere in the process an electron is moved.

I guess I have to revise the statement because in theory charge can be moved by positrons in an anti matter environment. Is there any negative charge carrier other than an electron in the "normal" universe?
Circlotron:

--- Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on March 01, 2021, 06:35:24 pm ---Oh and what are "electons"?

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The force that moves politicians along a path one by one through a seat of power, then down the line to obscurity.
TimFox:

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--- Quote from: TimFox on March 03, 2021, 10:13:23 pm ---A beam of positive ions (e.g. protons or ionized heavier atoms sumac as alpha particles) through an electrostatic field from source to target.  Traditionally called “canal rays” (q.v.).

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To create positive ions, have to move electrons as well. They will migrate through the environment to recombine with the ions at the destination. Similar to P doped semiconductor. To create an electrostatic field strip or add charge carriers (electrons or +ve body - ion, proton etc). To regain status quo, move a carrier of the other potential. Somewhere in the process an electron is moved.

I guess I have to revise the statement because in theory charge can be moved by positrons in an anti matter environment. Is there any negative charge carrier other than an electron in the "normal" universe?

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There are muons (another negatively charged lepton).  In everyday life, there are Cl- ions in saline solutions which migrate in the opposite direction from the Na+ ions during ionic conduction.  You can have a current around a rotating disc if you have positive or negative electrostatic charges on the rim.  Please refer to undergraduate textbooks.
MIS42N:

--- Quote from: TimFox on March 03, 2021, 11:03:13 pm ---There are muons (another negatively charged lepton).  In everyday life, there are Cl- ions in saline solutions which migrate in the opposite direction from the Na+ ions during ionic conduction.  You can have a current around a rotating disc if you have positive or negative electrostatic charges on the rim.  Please refer to undergraduate textbooks.

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The charge carrier in a Cl- ion is an electron. It's piggybacking on a Chlorine atom that's moving. Put an electrostatic charge on a disk and rotate it. Rotation is a movement. Ignoring exotic particles, electrons have to be moved at some time for a current to flow. The electron might not be the focus of attention (such as when a stream of protons is created) but it's moving in the background. Conservation of charge says it has to. Is there something in an undergraduate textbook that contradicts this? This is getting ridiculous. I think the OP put the proposition mischievously.
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