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This plug socket tells you if your energy is green
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BrianHG:
With the comments in the video, and especially that the device itself consumes tiny amounts of power to even operate, why isn't this topic in the dodgy technology section of the forum?
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on April 11, 2022, 12:17:03 am ---
--- Quote ---The Electricity supply organisations, can decide to turn various things (loads), in your own homes, off, e.g. at peak times. With the householders, being unable (legally), to do anything about it.
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smart meters already give them this capability

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Well no, that gives them control over the entire installation. Which they won't exercise because they would be liable for any injury which could occur as the result of loss of power.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2022, 01:17:05 am ---
--- Quote from: themadhippy on April 11, 2022, 12:17:03 am ---
--- Quote ---The Electricity supply organisations, can decide to turn various things (loads), in your own homes, off, e.g. at peak times. With the householders, being unable (legally), to do anything about it.
--- End quote ---
smart meters already give them this capability

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Well no, that gives them control over the entire installation. Which they won't exercise because they would be liable for any injury which could occur as the result of loss of power.

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Hopefully you're right, but that's interesting, as that would mean they would be liable in case of any power loss due to the grid, which does happen occasionally. Are they? Or are they not in this case, just because they can prove it's for instance due to an external factor that's beyond their control? And is it always the case?

That aside, even if they can't do this, that still gives them the opportunity to have a power consumption profile for each installation, and decide to, for instance, change the price, not just depending on fixed hours for everyone, but personalized depending on your own profile entirely - you could for instance be paying a lot more all the time, because your power consumption profile is considered not "green" enough.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg. It may just be a matter of a decade until power grids become "smart" enough that every appliance connected to them can be uniquely identified, and then they could definitely decide to deny access to power to some appliance depending on its power rating, hour of day, etc. Fun days ahead. =)
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 11, 2022, 01:49:04 am ---Hopefully you're right, but that's interesting, as that would mean they would be liable in case of any power loss due to the grid, which does happen occasionally. Are they? Or are they not in this case, just because they can prove it's for instance due to an external factor that's beyond their control? And is it always the case?
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I think the difference between a fault or error and an intentional act is pretty clear.


--- Quote ---That aside, even if they can't do this, that still gives them the opportunity to have a power consumption profile for each installation, and decide to, for instance, change the price, not just depending on fixed hours for everyone, but personalized depending on your own profile entirely - you could for instance be paying a lot more all the time, because your power consumption profile is considered not "green" enough.
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Absolutely. Technology remains a double edged sword.
Someone:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2022, 01:17:05 am ---
--- Quote from: themadhippy on April 11, 2022, 12:17:03 am ---
--- Quote ---The Electricity supply organisations, can decide to turn various things (loads), in your own homes, off, e.g. at peak times. With the householders, being unable (legally), to do anything about it.
--- End quote ---
smart meters already give them this capability
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Well no, that gives them control over the entire installation. Which they won't exercise because they would be liable for any injury which could occur as the result of loss of power.

--- End quote ---
Never heard of rolling blackouts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout
Its great if you aren't one of the blacked out group! Giving finer grained control is a win, losing your HVAC in winter when its well below freezing is much more serious than losing your refrigerator, or lighting, or plasma TV, or [other nice to have appliance]. Zero HVAC can be an actual threat to life (given how poorly people insulate their houses.... another rant), cold more so than heat, but excess heat is also a threat to life particularly for the old/infirm.
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