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| langwadt:
--- Quote from: MK14 on April 11, 2022, 09:45:13 pm --- --- Quote from: Ground_Loop on April 11, 2022, 09:23:29 pm ---I'm curious how much energy is being used to maintain that control center. Looks like just another intrusive solution looking for a problem. --- End quote --- Probably not much more, than they are managing to save. Although stated in jest, I quietly suspect it may indeed be the reality. At their offices/premises, how much does all the lighting, PCs, Servers, Electronics, Air-conditioning, Heating, etc use, compared to the (presumably) modest/slight savings in electricity per socket ? --- End quote --- reminds me of this https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/03/this-new-eco-gym-is-powered-by-your-workout |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2022, 03:00:49 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on April 11, 2022, 05:05:12 am --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2022, 01:17:05 am --- --- Quote from: themadhippy on April 11, 2022, 12:17:03 am --- --- Quote ---The Electricity supply organisations, can decide to turn various things (loads), in your own homes, off, e.g. at peak times. With the householders, being unable (legally), to do anything about it. --- End quote --- smart meters already give them this capability --- End quote --- Well no, that gives them control over the entire installation. Which they won't exercise because they would be liable for any injury which could occur as the result of loss of power. --- End quote --- Never heard of rolling blackouts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout Its great if you aren't one of the blacked out group! Giving finer grained control is a win, losing your HVAC in winter when its well below freezing is much more serious than losing your refrigerator, or lighting, or plasma TV, or [other nice to have appliance]. Zero HVAC can be an actual threat to life (given how poorly people insulate their houses.... another rant), cold more so than heat, but excess heat is also a threat to life particularly for the old/infirm. --- End quote --- Those are scheduled. Also, we don't do them. --- End quote --- In the UK, you do them but scheduled. Elsewhere they do happen without schedule. Nice attempt at a run-on sentence to make a misleading point. Actual facts limiting to just the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day_Week http://www7.bbk.ac.uk/mce/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/MCE-Disruption-Finding-Sheet.pdf https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-17/u-k-s-green-push-leaves-country-at-the-mercy-of-the-weather A history of planning ahead and introducing behaviour change in the population, and a predicted shortfall needing some solution in the coming years (has been "predicted" as being this year/next year for many years now, but never seems to arrive in force). Do you have evidence large industrial or commercial users aren't accepting short notice curtailment contracts? I bet they are. Around the world residential consumers are somewhere in the middle of the electricity priority queue, big customers often have penalty clauses so can be blacked out with agreed compensation (usually having negotiated lower pricing for the rest of the year). |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Someone on April 11, 2022, 10:51:07 pm ---blather --- End quote --- Please tell me the date of the last rolling blackout in the UK. Also, please explain how a scheduled rolling blackout is equivalent to cutting an individual customer off without knowledge of their circumstances. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2022, 11:04:05 pm ---Please tell me the date of the last rolling blackout in the UK. --- End quote --- Trying to walk this further away from the actual point? Well there is a well documented case of the 9th of August 2019: https://www.eprg.group.cam.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2006-Text1.pdf Poor granularity of demand control, leading to a widespread blackout. The automatic load shedding was an emergency response to maintain stability of the grid, in a non-granular fashion by indiscriminately (and without warning/scheduling) dumping a large group of customers into a blackout. Want to argue its not rolling because it was only a single on-off event? Go back to the original quote: --- Quote from: Someone on April 11, 2022, 05:05:12 am --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2022, 01:17:05 am --- --- Quote from: themadhippy on April 11, 2022, 12:17:03 am --- --- Quote ---The Electricity supply organisations, can decide to turn various things (loads), in your own homes, off, e.g. at peak times. With the householders, being unable (legally), to do anything about it. --- End quote --- smart meters already give them this capability --- End quote --- Well no, that gives them control over the entire installation. Which they won't exercise because they would be liable for any injury which could occur as the result of loss of power. --- End quote --- Never heard of rolling blackouts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout Its great if you aren't one of the blacked out group! Giving finer grained control is a win, losing your HVAC in winter when its well below freezing is much more serious than losing your refrigerator, or lighting, or plasma TV, or [other nice to have appliance]. Zero HVAC can be an actual threat to life (given how poorly people insulate their houses.... another rant), cold more so than heat, but excess heat is also a threat to life particularly for the old/infirm. --- End quote --- Granular+fast control right down to the house or appliance level would have massively improved that specific example, in recent history, within the UK. Thats a whole lot of constraints, and still correct/true. In a more general sense such granular load control is very useful/valuable and will be a net win for most consumers. |
| Monkeh:
E: On second thought, why bother. You'll twist anything for an argument. |
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