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| CJay:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 16, 2020, 09:42:51 am --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on December 16, 2020, 09:18:00 am --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 16, 2020, 08:10:14 am ---Seems funny to me the need to 'interview'. If you need the job done, you should be able to size up the person in a three minute informal chat. Unless it's for years-long contracts, such scrutiny is just for the power trip. Hire and fire as required. --- End quote --- That's a beguiling concept, but it is equivalent to HR discarding CVs because they don't have some certification or buzzword. If I had ever applied that concept, I would have missed several extremely good and creative people. Not recommended. --- End quote --- I understand what your saying. But in my world, time is money. If your subordinate is not making you money, you know, within hours of starting, then they are costing you money. I realize corporate HR is different. What gets me is that a HR department can spend forever choosing someone who still turns out to be a dud. But is anyone in the HR department ever responsible? --- End quote --- And in the civilised world, people have employment rights. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 16, 2020, 09:42:51 am --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on December 16, 2020, 09:18:00 am --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 16, 2020, 08:10:14 am ---Seems funny to me the need to 'interview'. If you need the job done, you should be able to size up the person in a three minute informal chat. Unless it's for years-long contracts, such scrutiny is just for the power trip. Hire and fire as required. --- End quote --- That's a beguiling concept, but it is equivalent to HR discarding CVs because they don't have some certification or buzzword. If I had ever applied that concept, I would have missed several extremely good and creative people. Not recommended. --- End quote --- I understand what your saying. But in my world, time is money. If your subordinate is not making you money, you know, within hours of starting, then they are costing you money. I realize corporate HR is different. What gets me is that a HR department can spend forever choosing someone who still turns out to be a dud. But is anyone in the HR department ever responsible? --- End quote --- So you need contractors rather than employees. That is perfectly reasonable. What is not reasonable is to confuse the two, and try to have the benefits of either option without the penalties. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: CJay on December 16, 2020, 10:09:23 am --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 16, 2020, 09:42:51 am --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on December 16, 2020, 09:18:00 am --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 16, 2020, 08:10:14 am ---Seems funny to me the need to 'interview'. If you need the job done, you should be able to size up the person in a three minute informal chat. Unless it's for years-long contracts, such scrutiny is just for the power trip. Hire and fire as required. --- End quote --- That's a beguiling concept, but it is equivalent to HR discarding CVs because they don't have some certification or buzzword. If I had ever applied that concept, I would have missed several extremely good and creative people. Not recommended. --- End quote --- I understand what your saying. But in my world, time is money. If your subordinate is not making you money, you know, within hours of starting, then they are costing you money. I realize corporate HR is different. What gets me is that a HR department can spend forever choosing someone who still turns out to be a dud. But is anyone in the HR department ever responsible? --- End quote --- And in the civilised world, people have employment rights. --- End quote --- And are not fungible 'human resources' to be hired and fired on a whim, but are people. One of my touchstones for the civility of a company is whether they have a Human Resources Department or a Personnel Department. The choice of words can tell you a lot, sometimes. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on December 16, 2020, 02:24:37 pm ---One of my touchstones for the civility of a company is whether they have a Human Resources Department or a Personnel Department. The choice of words can tell you a lot, sometimes. --- End quote --- Quite; I've bemoaned that too. Do any companies still have personnel departments? |
| bd139:
I’ve not seen one for a few years. HR is in the job title so there has to be an HR department :-// |
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