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| bd139:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on December 17, 2020, 01:08:10 am ---Na, turning that into an institutionalised process is an incredibly bad idea. Doing it will require some metric to do it on. To be fair, the metric would have to be published (and with a bit of Googling it wouldn't be hard to find employment tribunal cases or similar that have ruled against using hidden metrics to evaluate people). The second it was published, people would start gaming it. The kind of people who game metrics rather then get on with their jobs are exactly the kind of people you don't want to retain. --- End quote --- Yeah sounds like the old stack ranking fuckup at Microsoft... |
| CJay:
--- Quote from: fourfathom on December 17, 2020, 01:47:02 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on December 17, 2020, 01:08:10 am ---it wouldn't be hard to find employment tribunal cases or similar that have ruled against using hidden metrics to evaluate people --- End quote --- Perhaps it's different over here in California or Washington State, where we have "at will" employment (at least for non-union jobs). Here, I can be fired at any time, no reason necessary. If I can make the case that I was fired because of my race, sex, religion (and perhaps more protected classes, I'm not sure) I have some protection. Otherwise, no. Since I'm a straight white male I guess I'd better be good at what I do, and not work for idiots. For what it's worth, one of the best things that happened to me was being fired from my first tech job. Of course I was young, and recovery was fairly easy. I wouldn't recommend it to someone with a family and a mortgage. --- End quote --- Those anti discrimination laws apply to you too, but you're in a demographic where it's less likely you'll need them. Which should give you pause for thought about why they are still needed. Over here in the UK we have some rather strong employment rights, there are holidays, maternity leave, paternity leave, pensions, sick leave, all paid. To get fired on the spot you have to have done something grossly wrong/illegal, if the company crashes and you're made redundant you have rights and pay due (subject to certain conditions). Will be interesting to see how they stand up to the massive changes that are about to happen. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: JohnG on December 17, 2020, 04:17:59 am ---Yes, being somewhat politically savvy is important. But, I'm an engineer at heart, not a manager or politician. So there's that. --- End quote --- Then unless you are consistently so vital to business that you are truly indispensable until you are ready to retire, you are screwed. One slip, one slack period, one great design that isn't quite what the market turns out to want and you are deep in doo doo. |
| BravoV:
All of these just for ... tree ... z ? :-DD |
| JohnG:
--- Quote from: coppice on December 17, 2020, 01:58:36 pm ---Then unless you are consistently so vital to business that you are truly indispensable until you are ready to retire, you are screwed. One slip, one slack period, one great design that isn't quite what the market turns out to want and you are deep in doo doo. --- End quote --- Actually, this turned out not to be true. Despite all the BS, most people still give a damn. Also, if you help enough people, some of them will stand up for you. Also, this kind of management tends to be fear-based. That's why the bottom 10% is chosen based on least likelihood of pushing back as much as anything. If you are actually a decent performer, you have nothing to lose by respectfully standing your ground. But, even if you keep the job, if you stay at a company like this, the odds are indeed high that you will be screwed at some point. Best to leave on your own terms if you can. A company that allows no room for failure is not going to do much of interest, anyways. It drives people to do nothing of significance, lest they be punished. This leads to a global failure, but one that is difficult to blame on any individual. I work for a small company, now, and really enjoy it, even if it is rather tumultuous at times. If I ever work for a large company again, it will be as a contractor or consultant. Or, if I can earn advanced certification in "Bluster and BSTM", then I could always join as a VP, CxO or something >:D Cheers, John |
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