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TSMC delays opening of Arizona plant.
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floobydust:

--- Quote from: boB on July 22, 2023, 02:52:18 am ---[...] Money Talks. [...]

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No - throwing money at technology such as semiconductors does not flip a switch and give you prizes.

china state-backed "Big Fund" set up in 2014 towards independence in semiconductor manufacturing, around $45B but massive corruption and disappearing exec's pretty much tell you it did not go far. The results are not there despite the State's wishes. You can't merely copy technology.

“It’s not possible to turn back the clock,” TSMC founder Morris Chang told a Taiwanese tech association in October. “If you want to re-establish a complete semiconductor supply chain in the United States, you will not find it to be a possible task, even after you spend hundreds of billions of dollars.”

Foxconn pulled the plug on $19.5B Vedanta joint venture for making semiconductors in India. Another developing nation that wants semi's.

Why would Taiwan give the US a leap ahead on semiconductor fab?
dobsonr741:
I’m puzzled by the term skilled worker. For the construction of a site. A foundry has a well established structure, plans, processes - just need to apply to a new location. Then roll in the ASML machinery, bought and made elsewhere. A foundry does not need armies EEs to design chips - it’s a factory, not a design agency. They need skilled operators, that is trainable. Given operators trained on a certain process, the knowledge is also very specific to that process. Thus the training should also be part of the established foundry processes. Did I miss anything?
bdunham7:

--- Quote from: dobsonr741 on July 22, 2023, 05:09:18 am --- Did I miss anything?

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Yes.  Companies would like to hire people with 5 years experience on the exact machine being used, even if it came out only 3 years ago and then they would like them to relocate for pay of 50 cents over minimum wage.

dobsonr741:
The Microchip ex CEO explained it well: “we do not really need the Biden money, we are well of anyway, thanks so much”

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/talking-with-steve-sanghi-ceo-of-microchip-for-31-years/

The point is it’s the company, not the labour shortage.
rteodor:

--- Quote from: floobydust on July 22, 2023, 04:12:56 am ---Why would Taiwan give the US a leap ahead on semiconductor fab?

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Because they want their own capital city.
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