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| hammy:
--- Quote from: mcinque on April 11, 2015, 09:49:30 am ---... but I know HAMs here that knows only what is a bulb lamp and a battery (you can guess what they know about designing electronics). --- End quote --- We have such HAMs too. ;) This CE thing is based on the fact that a HAM is allowed to build his own TRX (and related stuff). The right to transmit and the right to build all amateur radio related devices has the result that we are also allowed to buy, own and use stuff without CE. We can use it, we can improve it ... based on the fact that we should know what we do. In our country the rules say: "Amateurfunk ist Experimental Funkdienst der von Funkamateuren untereinander zu experimentellen und wissenschaftlichen Studien genutzt wird." "Amateur radio is an experimental radio service for experimental and scientific studies between amateur radio operators." Designing electronics, without CE, for an other market than amateur radio, with a commercial intention, is not allowed. But buying a uCurrent, for amateur radio measurements, is absolutely legal even without a CE sign! If you are not an HAM, or a company, the law "protects you". This means you cannot buy something without a CE sign. There are a lot of rules in germany. Some are good, some are bad, some are annoying ... and some are ignored. --- Quote from: mcinque on April 11, 2015, 09:49:30 am ---Our HAM licensing is only written quiz based (no more voice interview), and requires only 60% correct responses to pass; so by reading a book with all the quizzes and the responses, with a little of luck you can get the 10% needed more than the 50% casual probability. --- End quote --- Quite similar. Three multiple choice tests with 75% correct answers. But some people just memorize the correct answers without the theory behind it. For the smaller license, "Klasse E", you have to learn ~800 questions, for the other "Klasse A" license we talk about ~1500 questions. During the test you have to answer ~100 questions (Class E) and ~120 questions (Class A). Cheers hammy |
| dannyf:
Isn't it nice living in Europe? We don't have that problem in the 3rd world country that I live in. |
| 0xdeadbeef:
I doubt that buying stuff without a CE sign is illegal, it's just that selling certain products without a CE sign in the EU is forbidden. So of course every European citizen is allowed to buy stuff without a CE sign, it's just that nobody is allowed to freely sell products in the EU without the CE sign (or to be more exact: without their conformity to EU directives being checked and proven). So in the end, it doesn't really matter if you're a HAM or electrical engineer or whatever. This being said, not everything needs the CE sign. E.g. basic components (like diodes) don't need it. The question is if a product fits into a certain group of product for which a directive exist. E.g. there is a regulation for toys, but for electronic stuff, mainly the EMC regulation is important. I would assume you could argue that something as low power as the uCurrent is not able to create any interferences on a scale that would make the EMC directive relevant. Then again, I'm not a lawyer. It's like with customs: you can discuss for weeks which product group a certain thing is and two customs officers will come up with three different possibilities. So the only safe way to not get into trouble is to get a CE sign and that's why a CE sign is on every crap even though it might not be needed. |
| mikeselectricstuff:
--- Quote from: 0xdeadbeef on April 11, 2015, 11:58:56 am --- I would assume you could argue that something as low power as the uCurrent is not able to create any interferences on a scale that would make the EMC directive relevant. --- End quote --- The uCurrent can be self-certified for EMC emissions as it is obviously compliant with emissions standards by the nature of its design. There would be no need for any testing. Some idiot decided that the EMC directive should also cover immunity, which should just be a product quality issue, however enforcement authorities are going to be far less interested in that for products where there is no potential safety hazard if they fail to work correctly. |
| hammy:
--- Quote from: 0xdeadbeef on April 11, 2015, 11:58:56 am ---I doubt that buying stuff without a CE sign is illegal, it's just that selling certain products without a CE sign in the EU is forbidden. --- End quote --- I suppose that is correct. But on the other side shops for amateur radio stuff sell products without CE sign. Wimo is selling the X1M trx as a "kit" -> https://www.wimo.com/x1m_qrp_transceiver_e.html. With the note "The kit has no CE mark after completion. The finished device may therefore be operated only by licensed radio amateurs." So, maybe you are allowed to buy complex devices without CE sign, but you are not allowed to turn it on? But also the datasheet of an 1N4148 diode says "Meet all present and future national and international statutory requirements.". There is clearly something you have to fulfil bevore you are allowed to sell your diode to the market. I don't know, I suppose the truth is somewhere in the middle of all these laws and rules ... :-// Anyway. The uCurrent does not have a CE sign and therefore Dave can not send it to us, because our customs are nitpicky. @dannyf: You are right, some countries overregulate everything. :palm: |
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