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UK abolishes <£15 VAT free imports. EU to follow.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Fraser on January 08, 2021, 12:13:23 pm ---Articles on the changes....
https://tamebay.com/2021/01/have-vat-changes-for-online-marketplaces-levelled-the-playing-field.html
https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-news/eu-2021-ending--22-import-exemption--import-oss-returns.html
The EU is going to follow this same strategy in mid 2021
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If I read this correctly it means VAT needs to be paid on all packets no matter the value.
Oldtestgear:
Many Chinese sellers on eBay have already registered with HMRC for VAT. They must feel that the extra effort is worthwhile. Also, if I plan to buy anything over the £15 limit from China it is only sensible to confirm their VAT status & NOT be hit with a hefty tax bill on import.
Also if buying from Switzerland it is wise to ensure that the seller is registered for VAT. Often the difference in price between a Swiss seller & one in Chine is less than the import VAT & charges. There are a few sellers on ebay that ship from Switzerland rather than from the UK or EU. Now we are out of the EU it seems only right that any VAT we have to pay will go to the UK government. They are going to have to finance the massive public debt somehow.
FWIW
Phil
bingo600:
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 09, 2021, 11:25:25 am ---
--- Quote from: Fraser on January 08, 2021, 12:13:23 pm ---Articles on the changes....
https://tamebay.com/2021/01/have-vat-changes-for-online-marketplaces-levelled-the-playing-field.html
https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-news/eu-2021-ending--22-import-exemption--import-oss-returns.html
The EU is going to follow this same strategy in mid 2021
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If I read this correctly it means VAT needs to be paid on all packets no matter the value.
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That's what i read too.
EU regulation to remove the VAT excemption for all packages, was supposed to start Jan-01-2021.
But was delayed 6 month due to COVID-19, delaying the implementation in several member countries.
So now is the time to stock up on "small thingies"
/Bingo
BravoV:
I guess its just matter of time, that implosion is going to happen caused by self over taxing the people for almost everything imported until it reached breaking point ? While the country's real and tangible productivity and self-reliance at fundamental sectors were and are fading for decades and no sign of recovery, cmiiw. :-//
petematthews:
> Shame I will now have to pay tax on every crappy little item from JLCPCB or AliExpress but hey, prices are so low that 20% won't break the bank.
Yeah, I don't have a problem paying the VAT, but my current issue is that JLCPCB have no intention of registering with HMRC (I mailed their support), and I don't blame them. The cost and hassle for the ability to deal with small-order UK personal stuff is not the most persuasive argument I've heard :) I've had the beginnings of a £38 order planned, but now it seems my options are:
1 - Pay the RM delivery (~£3.90). This was my usual plan - I'm cheap and it's hobby, so I don't really care too much about timescales :) However, I've been unable to find out what happens to sub-£135 packages that show up at ports/airports with no VAT paid. They won't have VAT collected by Royal Mail. My guess is returned to sender or destroyed. No real way of knowing. High chance it'll never arrive.
2 - Pay for DHLs DDP service... This is apparently £35 on my order, which isn't really an option for me. I'll need a handful of bits from LCSC too, which is presumably a further £30 to DHL. It'll get here _real_ fast, but I honestly couldn't be less interested in that part. £45 spend suddenly comes in at ~£110, and I just can't justify that.
Unless anyone has a PCB place they know is getting VAT registered, or another workaround, it looks like this has killed my hobby PCB fun. Which I'm pretty annoyed about, to be honest... Can't see a way round it though. I'm tempted to place a smallish PCB order with JLC just to see what happens... I'm guessing they're not checking _every_ package, etc., though I suspect it's still a risk on an order-by-order basis.
And yes, it's not (directly) Brexit related, and the EU are doing this in 6 months too. The difference is that companies will only need to register once with the EU central VAT collection thing to sell into all member states, which is a substantially better incentive than tangling with HMRC just for the UK.
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