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| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 12, 2023, 06:41:13 pm --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 10:31:03 am ---The problem with that is that the sexuality is in the mind of the observer, not the nude person. It is entirely possible to have one nude person, two observers, and only one observer thinking of sexual activity. Which view should dominate? Here's a clear (to me) example of that. In the US there appear to be creepy beauty pagents where parents dress their ?5-10? year old children like adults, including full makeup. I was gobsmacked when I heard about those, due to the Jon Ramsey Benet case hitting the headlines. --- End quote --- Sure but you can't control how an observer perceives something, and that is part of the problem with some of this "culture war" stuff that is going on. Some people are focused on trying to demand others to perceive something in a certain way and that is just fundamentally flawed, it's not possible to do. You can't stop an observer from possibly sexualizing in their head a nude person that they're observing, but there is a HUGE difference between say a centerfold from a Penthouse magazine and a photo of a nude female in a biology textbook. --- End quote --- Not when I was an adolescent ;) One was more available than the other, doubly so since I have to stretch to reach the top shelf. --- Quote ---Yes those pageants where they tart up toddlers and parade them around in front of a room full of adults are repulsive, contrary to how it may appear I'm no prude, I consider myself "sex positive", I'm perfectly fine with adults doing whatever they want with other consenting adults with no shame in that and if statistics are to be believed I've had more partners than is average in my country, but I set a hard boundary between children, especially pre-pubescent children, and adults. Sexualizing pre-pubescent children is revolting and I think there is something seriously wrong with people that want to do that. --- End quote --- I completely agree, as is self-evident from what I've said before. But you appear to be confusing that revolting behaviour with letting an interested child research and understand the (physical) facts of how our bodies work. Very different. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 08:07:59 pm ---That's not really comparable: one-off education vs potentially repetitive habit. Nonetheless, I would probably do what my mother did when my brother became interested in smoking (back when smoking was normal and non-smoking exceptional). She bought a pack of fags and let him smoke them all. Naturally he was sick, and became a lifelong non-smoker. Job done. Forbidding/denying young people something is an excellent way to get them to surreptitiously/furtively investigate something. Not good behaviour on the part of the parent or child, IMHO. --- End quote --- When I was maybe 2 or 3 I remember being fascinated watching people smoke cigarettes in restaurants which was a common thing back then, because the end would light up whenever they would draw from it and I was obsessed with light bulbs and lighting. I was always told they were dirty and disgusting and that stuck, I never had any desire to smoke, nobody had to demand that I not do it, they just impressed upon me that it was gross and bad. I think that worked better than giving me a pack of cigarettes and telling me to go ahead and smoke them all. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 12, 2023, 09:13:07 pm --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 08:07:59 pm ---That's not really comparable: one-off education vs potentially repetitive habit. Nonetheless, I would probably do what my mother did when my brother became interested in smoking (back when smoking was normal and non-smoking exceptional). She bought a pack of fags and let him smoke them all. Naturally he was sick, and became a lifelong non-smoker. Job done. Forbidding/denying young people something is an excellent way to get them to surreptitiously/furtively investigate something. Not good behaviour on the part of the parent or child, IMHO. --- End quote --- When I was maybe 2 or 3 I remember being fascinated watching people smoke cigarettes in restaurants which was a common thing back then, because the end would light up whenever they would draw from it and I was obsessed with light bulbs and lighting. I was always told they were dirty and disgusting and that stuck, I never had any desire to smoke, nobody had to demand that I not do it, they just impressed upon me that it was gross and bad. I think that worked better than giving me a pack of cigarettes and telling me to go ahead and smoke them all. --- End quote --- There are, indeed, many ways to skin a cat. Choose whichever way best suits you and the cat. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 12, 2023, 09:13:07 pm --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 08:07:59 pm ---That's not really comparable: one-off education vs potentially repetitive habit. Nonetheless, I would probably do what my mother did when my brother became interested in smoking (back when smoking was normal and non-smoking exceptional). She bought a pack of fags and let him smoke them all. Naturally he was sick, and became a lifelong non-smoker. Job done. Forbidding/denying young people something is an excellent way to get them to surreptitiously/furtively investigate something. Not good behaviour on the part of the parent or child, IMHO. --- End quote --- When I was maybe 2 or 3 I remember being fascinated watching people smoke cigarettes in restaurants which was a common thing back then, because the end would light up whenever they would draw from it and I was obsessed with light bulbs and lighting. I was always told they were dirty and disgusting and that stuck, I never had any desire to smoke, nobody had to demand that I not do it, they just impressed upon me that it was gross and bad. I think that worked better than giving me a pack of cigarettes and telling me to go ahead and smoke them all. --- End quote --- Me too, although I admit, I did occasionally smoke at school, when I was a teenager, but never got hooked. I did it due to a mixture of curiosity and showing off. I doubt there would have been anything my parents could have done to stop me. I knew the punishment would have been a detention at school and no computer/TV/games console, but I didn't get caught. |
| james_s:
I think it also helped that I had a couple of relatives that were regularly trying unsuccessfully to quit. Then when I was a bit older I had friends that were constantly struggling to get people to buy them cigarettes and on top of that it smelled gross so it just never seemed logical to me. I mean why start doing something that costs a lot of money, is a pain to support when I'm not old enough to buy them myself and smells gross? I could see no reason to do it. Even if I had thought it looked cool, being an electricity obsessed autistic kid I was so far from cool there was no point in trying to be anyway. |
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