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tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 14, 2023, 09:27:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 14, 2023, 09:07:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on July 14, 2023, 08:59:12 pm ---The Third Reich got support because the alternatives appeared worse. Once it got that support a huge number clearly had an "oh shit" moment when they realised what they had freely voted for. With a booming economy it took quite a while for that moment to occur for many people. For a long time they had achieved the end to chaos they had voted for.
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Compare and contrast with the Brexit vote. :(
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
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Brexit is nothing but a small cut, compared to the huge injury of lockdown and mass immigration, which would have happened anyway.
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That's avoiding doing the compare and contrast exercise between comparing UK and 2016 Brexit vote, with Weimar Republic and their 1933 vote.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 14, 2023, 11:09:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 14, 2023, 09:27:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 14, 2023, 09:07:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on July 14, 2023, 08:59:12 pm ---The Third Reich got support because the alternatives appeared worse. Once it got that support a huge number clearly had an "oh shit" moment when they realised what they had freely voted for. With a booming economy it took quite a while for that moment to occur for many people. For a long time they had achieved the end to chaos they had voted for.
--- End quote ---
Compare and contrast with the Brexit vote. :(
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
--- End quote ---
Brexit is nothing but a small cut, compared to the huge injury of lockdown and mass immigration, which would have happened anyway.
--- End quote ---
That's avoiding doing the compare and contrast exercise between comparing UK and 2016 Brexit vote, with Weimar Republic and their 1933 vote.
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That's like comparing chalk and cheese.
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 08:58:09 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 14, 2023, 11:09:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 14, 2023, 09:27:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 14, 2023, 09:07:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on July 14, 2023, 08:59:12 pm ---The Third Reich got support because the alternatives appeared worse. Once it got that support a huge number clearly had an "oh shit" moment when they realised what they had freely voted for. With a booming economy it took quite a while for that moment to occur for many people. For a long time they had achieved the end to chaos they had voted for.
--- End quote ---
Compare and contrast with the Brexit vote. :(
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
--- End quote ---
Brexit is nothing but a small cut, compared to the huge injury of lockdown and mass immigration, which would have happened anyway.
--- End quote ---
That's avoiding doing the compare and contrast exercise between comparing UK and 2016 Brexit vote, with Weimar Republic and their 1933 vote.
--- End quote ---
That's like comparing chalk and cheese.
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Not so. :(
How about many voters becoming pissed off with their current leaders, populist demigogs appearing, blame for current woes placed on Them, where "Them" is (a) foreigners and (b) experienced specialists.
That rhymes all too well, and hasn't fully played out here and now :(
And that's all the politics I will discuss here.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 15, 2023, 09:41:59 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 08:58:09 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 14, 2023, 11:09:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 14, 2023, 09:27:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 14, 2023, 09:07:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on July 14, 2023, 08:59:12 pm ---The Third Reich got support because the alternatives appeared worse. Once it got that support a huge number clearly had an "oh shit" moment when they realised what they had freely voted for. With a booming economy it took quite a while for that moment to occur for many people. For a long time they had achieved the end to chaos they had voted for.
--- End quote ---
Compare and contrast with the Brexit vote. :(
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
--- End quote ---
Brexit is nothing but a small cut, compared to the huge injury of lockdown and mass immigration, which would have happened anyway.
--- End quote ---
That's avoiding doing the compare and contrast exercise between comparing UK and 2016 Brexit vote, with Weimar Republic and their 1933 vote.
--- End quote ---
That's like comparing chalk and cheese.
--- End quote ---
Not so. :(
How about many voters becoming pissed off with their current leaders, populist demigogs appearing, blame for current woes placed on Them, where "Them" is (a) foreigners and (b) experienced specialists.
That rhymes all too well, and hasn't fully played out here and now :(
And that's all the politics I will discuss here.
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Popularism is good, because it aligns with democracy.
You obviously have a bee in your bonnet about Brexit. It's not something I voted for, but I can certainly understand why people voted for it. There's no point in remoaning. We have far worse problems.
People are rightly fed up with their leaders. The two parties are essentially the same, so as long as people vote for either one of them, nothing will change.
One does not have to dislike foreigners, to be against mass immigration. It is the cause of many problems in our society. It's the main reason why housing is in short supply and young people can't afford to buy. It's no good building new homes. We need to deal with the demand, caused by an increasing population, due to immigration. The idea pushed by the mainstream media, that we need it due to the ageing population and for the economy is nonsense. Foreigners get old too and there are other countries such as Japan who appear to be doing fine without it. Immigration benefits the rich, elites, at the expense of the poor, hence why those in power are so keen on it. The majority who support so-called far-right parties who want to cut immigration, do not dislike foreigners, or want to harm anyone, just to see immigration cut to a sustainable level. I don't support any political party. They're all rotten.
Going back to the original topic. We're truly stuffed. Voting Labour won't make and difference, because they want to go further and the Liberal Democrats will simply form a government with the next largest party. I don't know what the Green Party's position is on this, but I don't support their extreme environmental taxes, which would damage the economy. There are other more right-wing parties, too small to have an impact, but I disagree with many of their other policies.
AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 10:17:05 am ---One does not have to dislike foreigners, to be against mass immigration. It is the cause of many problems in our society. It's the main reason why housing is in short supply and young people can't afford to buy. It's no good building new homes. We need to deal with the demand, caused by an increasing population, due to immigration.
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No it isn't. It's because the Thatcher government changed some of the financial rules for councils, making it effectively impossible for them to replace the stock they were being forced to sell, or that was just no longer fit for purpose.
Building new social housing, and also affordable housing, is the answer. Immigration is a separate issue.
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