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Zero999:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 15, 2023, 12:19:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 10:17:05 am ---One does not have to dislike foreigners, to be against mass immigration. It is the cause of many problems in our society. It's the main reason why housing is in short supply and young people can't afford to buy. It's no good building new homes. We need to deal with the demand, caused by an increasing population, due to immigration.

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No it isn't. It's because the Thatcher government changed some of the financial rules for councils, making it effectively impossible for them to replace the stock they were being forced to sell, or that was just no longer fit for purpose.

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You are right there.


--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 15, 2023, 12:19:09 pm ---Building new social housing, and also affordable housing, is the answer. Immigration is a separate issue.

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Incorrect. It's simply a matter of supply vs demand. Importing around a million people per year will increase demand for housing, because they all require somewhere to live. Cutting immigration will reduce the need for new homes.

Building more homes will not solve the problem. It will just make a few people very rich. The government will never cut immigration because the rich and powerful want property and land to be expensive. It's funny I get often accused of being far-right for stating this.
Infraviolet:
" comparing UK and 2016 Brexit vote, with Weimar Republic and their 1933 vote. "
A bit extreme definitely, I was a very determined remainer from 2016-2020 (now I'm brexit-agnostic, it's bad but nowehere near as bad as I feared and the EU is in a mess now anyway which we might yet be glad not to be inside), and whilst I expected many terribe things to come of it Nazi style rule wasn't one of them. The snoopers charter of 2016, and the lockdowns of 2020, were much more like voting in Hitler than brexit was. In the aftermath of brexit I expected we'd lose a lot of our fundamental rights due to the UK sneaking away from the EU human rights courts, but then those human rights courts spent 2020 proving they no longer cared about human rights (while the Uk was still in), and the EU now is becoming increasingly tyranical itself with plans for digital IDs and for mass scale internet censorship*. Brexit wasn't the biggest problem, all the other things which went on while brexit had people distracted were. Today ofcourse, the political class use immigration as as a distraction, to keeppeople's attention while truly dangerous things with CBDC plans are done in the background. Also, since Britain has been out of the EU, it has actually morphed a lot more in to the bad things (unified EU vaccine digital ID passes, EU digital services diktats, EU plans for close collaboration wih the disgraced WHO, EU plans to spy on journalists...) which brexiteers claimed (incorrectly at THAT time) it was in 2016.

*just the same asmost of the rest of the world, virtually everywhere is in need of a regime change in which the bureaucratic authoritarian busy-body jobsworth tick-box class all get kicked out of politics and sent in to eternal unemployment where they can do no further harm
coppice:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 01:14:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 15, 2023, 12:19:09 pm ---Building new social housing, and also affordable housing, is the answer. Immigration is a separate issue.

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Incorrect. It's simply a matter of supply vs demand. Importing around a million people per year will increase demand for housing, because they all require somewhere to live. Cutting immigration will reduce the need for new homes.

Building more homes will not solve the problem. It will just make a few people very rich. The government will never cut immigration because the rich and powerful want property and land to be expensive. It's funny I get often accused of being far-right for stating this.

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In places nobody wants to live, housing is usually very cheap. Places that go out of favour (e.g. industry shuts down) often have plenty of available houses at low prices. Supply and demand are clearly a huge part of house prices. However, where people want to live, generally because there are good incomes to be made there, houses generally cost the same - the very limit of what people can pay. Push up the interest rate and prices goes down. Push down the interest rate and prices goes up. Push up incomes and prices go up. Drive down incomes and prices go down.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: coppice on July 15, 2023, 05:16:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 01:14:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 15, 2023, 12:19:09 pm ---Building new social housing, and also affordable housing, is the answer. Immigration is a separate issue.

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Incorrect. It's simply a matter of supply vs demand. Importing around a million people per year will increase demand for housing, because they all require somewhere to live. Cutting immigration will reduce the need for new homes.

Building more homes will not solve the problem. It will just make a few people very rich. The government will never cut immigration because the rich and powerful want property and land to be expensive. It's funny I get often accused of being far-right for stating this.

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In places nobody wants to live, housing is usually very cheap. Places that go out of favour (e.g. industry shuts down) often have plenty of available houses at low prices. Supply and demand are clearly a huge part of house prices. However, where people want to live, generally because there are good incomes to be made there, houses generally cost the same - the very limit of what people can pay. Push up the interest rate and prices goes down. Push down the interest rate and prices goes up. Push up incomes and prices go up. Drive down incomes and prices go down.

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Even the crappiest places in the UK are still better than many parts of the world.

It's certainly true having low interest rates is a big driver of house prices. It encourages people with money to in invest in property, which increases prices further, rather than putting the money in the bank, where they get bugger all back. The government here are doing their level best to keep the price of property and land as high as possible. They might say otherwise, but their policies and actions clearly show this, whatever they claim.
coppice:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 05:32:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on July 15, 2023, 05:16:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 15, 2023, 01:14:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 15, 2023, 12:19:09 pm ---Building new social housing, and also affordable housing, is the answer. Immigration is a separate issue.

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Incorrect. It's simply a matter of supply vs demand. Importing around a million people per year will increase demand for housing, because they all require somewhere to live. Cutting immigration will reduce the need for new homes.

Building more homes will not solve the problem. It will just make a few people very rich. The government will never cut immigration because the rich and powerful want property and land to be expensive. It's funny I get often accused of being far-right for stating this.

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In places nobody wants to live, housing is usually very cheap. Places that go out of favour (e.g. industry shuts down) often have plenty of available houses at low prices. Supply and demand are clearly a huge part of house prices. However, where people want to live, generally because there are good incomes to be made there, houses generally cost the same - the very limit of what people can pay. Push up the interest rate and prices goes down. Push down the interest rate and prices goes up. Push up incomes and prices go up. Drive down incomes and prices go down.

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Even the crappiest places in the UK are still better than many parts of the world.

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Huh? Weird response. How did crappiness come into this? Many dead seaside towns in the UK are not crappy (although steady decline isn't helping with that) but without available jobs the houses sell for scrap value, and large numbers are empty.
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