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UK internet censoring
voltsandjolts:
--- Quote from: Someone on July 08, 2023, 08:17:01 am ---The road is still not a place for children to play unattended, there are other places for that. Uncontrolled access to the internet is something which should be continued, but at the same time specific places for children are made available.
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Well, we agree there needs to be seperate internet areas for children, but you prefer choice while I prefer enforcement. As I see it, enforcement would have a much greater chance of protecting more children. Perhaps some sort of legal framework that required parents to route childrens internet access through commercial internet filters that you mentioned previously. There would need to be software tools (mobile, desktop apps), pricing options and funding (via government child support payments) to give this a chance of working. Many parents are concerned about kids internet access but the technically illerate parents don't understand the options currently available, or baulk at the costs. Regulation forces them (at least a good percentage of them) to take action.
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 08, 2023, 08:06:36 am ---Wikipedia is not that innocent as people use to think.
Got a strong political bias in the last couple decades.
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Yes.
Conundrum here being, how can we ever trust politicians to handle political bias?
They will not. They will just possibly twist the bias in their favor.
tggzzz:
"Who guards the guardians?" is an age old question, for good reason.
As an engineer I'm predisposed to look for cause and effect - which leads me towards conspiracy theories.
However, over a long lifetime, I've been ever mindful that the "cockup theory of history" is usually correct, and the "conspiracy theory of history" should only be considered where there is strong evidence.
In this case you have a very difficult problem plus a bunch of untrained people that neither understand the technology nor understand how things fail - and they are making the laws. That means the cockup theory of history is sufficient to explain half-baked proposed laws like this.
AndyBeez:
And the political class wonder why they have to live behind bullet proof glass?
Someone:
--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on July 08, 2023, 12:45:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on July 08, 2023, 08:17:01 am ---The road is still not a place for children to play unattended, there are other places for that. Uncontrolled access to the internet is something which should be continued, but at the same time specific places for children are made available.
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Well, we agree there needs to be seperate internet areas for children, but you prefer choice while I prefer enforcement.
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But you keep arguing for the lowest common denominator approach which is not applied to (any?) other situation other than perhaps smoking in enclosed spaces.
--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on July 08, 2023, 12:45:55 pm ---As I see it, enforcement would have a much greater chance of protecting more children. Perhaps some sort of legal framework that required parents to route childrens internet access through commercial internet filters that you mentioned previously. There would need to be software tools (mobile, desktop apps), pricing options and funding (via government child support payments) to give this a chance of working. Many parents are concerned about kids internet access but the technically illerate parents don't understand the options currently available, or baulk at the costs. Regulation forces them (at least a good percentage of them) to take action.
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Right, so say that instead of the provocative/sensational extreme of must be applied to everyone at all times because some vulnerable group might be at risk.
Oh wait, the UK is already moving on that for schools:
https://saferinternet.org.uk/guide-and-resource/teachers-and-school-staff/appropriate-filtering-and-monitoring/appropriate-filtering
and has been providing guidance for parents on that for a long time. If a parent chooses to let their kids loose unsupervised and unattended on the internet, they need to accept thats basically the same as letting them freely roam the city (including roads, and "adult" encounters). The reaction is not OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN*
*because I'm a lazy parent and cant be bothered to care for my child
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