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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: twospoons on July 10, 2023, 01:29:45 am ---If you never let your kids climb a tree they will never appreciate the consequences of combining body-weight, dead branches and hard ground.
The end result of taking away all risks for kids is a generation of snowflakes who would take a sick-day for a hangnail.

I've never restricted my kids access to risky things, but I have made damn sure they understood the potential consequences.  There's no point trying to fence off the dangerous bits of the internet - that just makes it all the more enticing, and a determined kid absolutely will find a way around the barrier.  Instead, teach them to make the smart choice.

Education beats restriction every time.

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My attitudes too, expecially with climbing trees, respecting electricity, backpacking abroad, and more.

But there are important preconditions for it to work: intelligent and knowledgeable parents, attentive hand-on parenting. The latter isn't always possible, the former raises the obvious bootstrapping problem.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: james_s on July 10, 2023, 02:59:41 am ---
--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on July 07, 2023, 08:02:09 pm ---In my view, young children are viewing armful content online and it is causing damage. Societal damage. More worrying is that I see so clear path to a better, safer internet for younger folks. Age verification will probably be of limited benefit to the younger generation and a PITA to the rest of us. But we gotta do something. Firewalled internet (China style) for different age groups under 16? Under 10's limited to fifty websites? Fuck knows.

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How about parents do their job and parent? If they want to shield their kids from certain websites then install a firewall in their home, or just do things the old fashioned way and supervise their children. We got our hands on dirty magazines now and then when we were kids and it doesn't seem to have done any lasting harm.

I just hope this doesn't become another fiasco like those goddamned cookie notifications that I constantly have to deal with thanks to some European law that doesn't even apply to me.

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Installing a firewall simply doesn't work. Evidence: China's great wall, and the general impracticality of filtering "good" from "bad".

The "cookie fiasco" isn't bad: it viscerally shows you how you are being traded across many companies. That, plus "no javascript" plugins make people realise why there are farcebook and twatter logos on many web pages. That's basic survival information for, say, those unfortunate to be based in countries where religious zealots attempt to control how you use bits of your body.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on July 10, 2023, 04:02:47 am ---This reminds me of how at the high school I went to, one of the biology books in the library has pictures of male and female private parts. (That's photographs, in addition to cross section drawings which are standard for such books.) I just kept it to myself and continued reading. In fairness, there are truly lots of books in any good sized library and it would be impractical to check each one for such "bad" pictures and words.

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My daughter found one of those in a local bookshop when she was slightly "too young", i.e. about 7. I tried and failed to deflect her by pointing out other books on her traditional favourite subjects, to no avail.

I ended up buying the (rather good) book. Favourite comment: "did you and mummy really do that?" :)
voltsandjolts:

--- Quote from: Someone on July 09, 2023, 10:06:59 pm ---Just because you can point to other good things about laws does not make all laws good. How dumb do you think we are?

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You are arguing against laws that impinge on your freedoms for the benefit of others, yet there are many of those already. The thought of one more has apparently tipped you over the edge. You don't care whether there is any net benefit for society, just that you are not affected in any way. Ever thought of moving to your own island, all by yourself?


--- Quote ---What are the actual benefits of forcibly blocking content that would be legal to view in a book? can those benefits be quantified? what are the costs?

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You aren't aware but there is substancial online material which is not legal in any book.


--- Quote ---The proposed law is not only affecting children and parents, and only now do you make the reveal that is what you want to support (after many misleading posts trying to take such more extreme positions). Seems like you're here to add confusion and noise to the issue and keep banging on about THINK OF THE CHILDREN... who are not in any immediate and serious threat to their being/safety. Any psychological trauma from children coming across inappropriate content is entirely from the parents letting them access it (now that the schools are required to provide better controlled internet access).

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You haven't even read what I've written and just love to jump in for the attack. You're advocating for doing nothing (which has been shown to be inadeqate in the last 20 years) and just banging on about poor (technical) parenting, which is exactly what my suggestion aims to improve, with regards to safer surfing.

Did you have any proposal, other than do nothing?
jpanhalt:

--- Quote from: twospoons on July 10, 2023, 01:29:45 am ---If you never let your kids climb a tree they will never appreciate the consequences of combining body-weight, dead branches and hard ground.
The end result of taking away all risks for kids is a generation of snowflakes who would take a sick-day for a hangnail.

Education beats restriction every time.

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I think the greatest risk of seemingly taking away all risks is "risk compensation."

People, particularly the young, are prone to seek excitement and that includes risk.  We did it in my school days well past 16. It's not just 16-year olds.  When young, we took dares, jumped stairs, balanced on cables, and surfed in restricted areas (Camp Pendleton, CA).  Older, there is no need to mention some of that stuff.

Today, life probably is not really any safer, but there seems to be a false sense of safety promoted by all the exhaustive warnings and protective devices.  The end results are the tragedies we read in the news about TikTok (etc.) challenges gone wrong.  To me, there is no right way to choke yourself into unconsciousness.  I never walk into a parking lot or cross a street without looking, yet I see younger generations doing just that on the expectation that all drivers will be watching out for them.
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