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Someone:

--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on July 10, 2023, 09:00:25 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on July 09, 2023, 10:06:59 pm ---The proposed law is not only affecting children and parents, and only now do you make the reveal that is what you want to support (after many misleading posts trying to take such more extreme positions). Seems like you're here to add confusion and noise to the issue and keep banging on about THINK OF THE CHILDREN... who are not in any immediate and serious threat to their being/safety. Any psychological trauma from children coming across inappropriate content is entirely from the parents letting them access it (now that the schools are required to provide better controlled internet access).
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You haven't even read what I've written and just love to jump in for the attack. You're advocating for doing nothing (which has been shown to be inadeqate in the last 20 years) and just banging on about poor (technical) parenting, which is exactly what my suggestion aims to improve, with regards to safer surfing.
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Because you say there is some big problem which needs fixing but fail to bring any substantiation or evidence of the supposed harms, still. There is evidence of harms from too much censorship in some areas right now (https://www.mamamia.com.au/why-australian-law-demands-all-vaginas-be-digitally-altered-nsfw/), a balance needs to be struck, but it certainly appears adding further broad censorship controls are not substantiated or justified at this time.

You say the status quo has been shown to be inadequate, where? how? why? by who?


--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on July 10, 2023, 09:00:25 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on July 09, 2023, 10:06:59 pm ---What are the actual benefits of forcibly blocking content that would be legal to view in a book? can those benefits be quantified? what are the costs?

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You aren't aware but there is substancial online material which is not legal in any book.
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Yes, and most of that is already illegal to distribute or share over the internet. That is in no way requiring these new laws. The questions posted to you are clear and plain, yet you just jump around with more vague emotional blither rather than respond to their content.
voltsandjolts:

--- Quote from: Someone on July 10, 2023, 10:24:06 am ---The questions posted to you are clear and plain, yet you just jump around with more vague emotional blither rather than respond to their content.

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Perhaps you could list and enumerate your questions for me.

If you are referring to evidence that children are being harmed by online content, it's only a cursory search away.
Here's one report by the UK's leading children’s charity the NSPCC

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/online-safety/parliamentary-briefing---draft-online-safety-bill---sept-2021.pdf

You may not care to read it, so allow me to provide a short excerpt:


--- Quote ---This has never been more important and the figures below highlight how the scale and complexity of online harms continues to increase:

– There was a record-high 70% increase in offences related to Sexual Communication with a Child recorded between April 2020 and March 2021. Almost half of the offences used Facebook owned apps, including Instagram, WhatsApp and Messenger.

– The Internet Watch Foundation saw a 77% increase in reports of ‘self-generated’ child sexual abuse material in 2020.

– NSPCC helplines saw a 60% increase in the number of contacts concerning online child sexual abuse, compared to the period before the pandemic.

– Private messaging is now a primary vector for online abuse: from March 2019-2020 one in six children (17%) aged 10 to 15 years had spoken with someone they had never met before (equivalent to 682,000 children). Where children are contacted by someone they don’t know in person, in 74% of instances this takes place through private messaging.

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Someone:

--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on July 10, 2023, 10:56:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on July 10, 2023, 10:24:06 am ---The questions posted to you are clear and plain, yet you just jump around with more vague emotional blither rather than respond to their content.

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Perhaps you could list and enumerate your questions for me.

If you are referring to evidence that children are being harmed by online content, it's only a cursory search away.
Here's one report by the UK's leading children’s charity the NSPCC

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/online-safety/parliamentary-briefing---draft-online-safety-bill---sept-2021.pdf

You may not care to read it, so allow me to provide a short excerpt:


--- Quote ---This has never been more important and the figures below highlight how the scale and complexity of online harms continues to increase:

– There was a record-high 70% increase in offences related to Sexual Communication with a Child recorded between April 2020 and March 2021. Almost half of the offences used Facebook owned apps, including Instagram, WhatsApp and Messenger.

– The Internet Watch Foundation saw a 77% increase in reports of ‘self-generated’ child sexual abuse material in 2020.

– NSPCC helplines saw a 60% increase in the number of contacts concerning online child sexual abuse, compared to the period before the pandemic.

– Private messaging is now a primary vector for online abuse: from March 2019-2020 one in six children (17%) aged 10 to 15 years had spoken with someone they had never met before (equivalent to 682,000 children). Where children are contacted by someone they don’t know in person, in 74% of instances this takes place through private messaging.

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Ok so there is an increase in inappropriate personal interactions between children and other people, so why not argue for things which will address that? Like you know, supervision and having parents in the loop/vetting contacts?

Censoring static content and limiting access to information is not doing anything to address that.
voltsandjolts:

--- Quote from: Someone on July 10, 2023, 11:36:14 am ---Ok so there is an increase in inappropriate personal interactions between children and other people, so why not argue for things which will address that?
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I first need to argue against the folks who think doing nothing is the preferred option.


--- Quote ---Like you know, supervision and having parents in the loop/vetting contacts?

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Which is my suggestion above, to put legal requirements on parents to provide a filtered (somewhat safer) internet connection - force the parents into the loop.
themadhippy:
If its about protecting the children aint it about time we banned the bbc
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