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james_s:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on July 11, 2023, 01:57:40 pm ---I find it odd that we must protect children from the very thing that created them. Meanwhile, it's OK to show violence in cartoons and even let children play with toy guns.

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I see no issue with that at all. Violence in cartoons is not realistic at all, I certainly watched a lot of cartoons when I was a kid and that never translated into violence to me. I played with toy guns a lot too and also that never turned into real violence. Young kids don't need to know anything about sex, there's just no reason for it, and there isn't that same boundary between real life and play.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: james_s on July 11, 2023, 09:04:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 10, 2023, 11:56:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on July 10, 2023, 11:25:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 10, 2023, 08:36:53 am ---My daughter found one of those in a local bookshop when she was slightly "too young", i.e. about 7. I tried and failed to deflect her by pointing out other books on her traditional favourite subjects, to no avail.

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The book I read didn't present it in a sexual way, the pictures were labeled so that a medical student can identify the different parts.

--- End quote ---

The book my daughter discovered (and I bought) was solely sexual.

Example: one diagram was a cross-section through a copulating couple.

--- End quote ---

Frankly that sounds like a parenting failure to me. The child is 7, the fact that you tried and failed to redirect her doesn't make much sense to me, you are the parent, you are the law, all you have to do is say "no, that's not appropriate for you at this age" and that should be that, case closed, there is no negotiating.

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Oh riiiight.

Teach her not to be curious.

Teach her not to find answers by reading.

Teach her to deviously hide things from me.

Teach her that sex is a disgusting subject.

Teach her to be ashamed of asking questions and having independent thoughts.

Teach her that I'm not interested in what she is thinking.

Teach her that "might is right" rather than "right because reason X".

Good parenting... Not!

It was a good book. I was delighted she had found it and was fascinated by the subject. That's why I bought it for her so she could continue reading it at her leisure.

It paid dividends. Three years later she wanted chickens as pets. I didn't, and raised all sorts of objections. She went and did the research online, and countered every one of my objections with solid arguments. That delighted me, and I agreed we could have them. She specified what was needed in  a coop and enclosure, and we built one together. Over the next six years she used her chickens as a spring board for learning all sorts of skills that we never anticipated.

More recently she has used those attitudes and skills to successfully start her own business. She's even been invited to demonstrate to others that how it is possible to start their own business.

But I suppose you think that, because I didn't want something, I should have been "a good parent" by stomping on her interests and ambitions.

If letting her read that book was a parenting failure, IMNSHO the world would be a better place if more parents failed.
Someone:

--- Quote from: james_s on July 11, 2023, 09:04:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 10, 2023, 11:56:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on July 10, 2023, 11:25:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 10, 2023, 08:36:53 am ---My daughter found one of those in a local bookshop when she was slightly "too young", i.e. about 7. I tried and failed to deflect her by pointing out other books on her traditional favourite subjects, to no avail.

--- End quote ---
The book I read didn't present it in a sexual way, the pictures were labeled so that a medical student can identify the different parts.
--- End quote ---
The book my daughter discovered (and I bought) was solely sexual.

Example: one diagram was a cross-section through a copulating couple.
--- End quote ---
Frankly that sounds like a parenting failure to me. The child is 7, the fact that you tried and failed to redirect her doesn't make much sense to me, you are the parent, you are the law, all you have to do is say "no, that's not appropriate for you at this age" and that should be that, case closed, there is no negotiating.

--- End quote ---
This is the person who tried to argue flood defences are a bad and evil thing as a hypothetical malevolent operator could use such defences to instead create floods:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/tidal-lagoon-energy-from-the-ocean-uk-gov-is-putting-money-in-it/msg632713/#msg632713

I'd agree and classify the person as disingenuous and a bad influence on society (and therefore their children). A simple substitution of another book that matches the Childs desires for choosing the inappropriate title should be relatively easy to construe, assuming a parent actually engages with their child and understands their motivations.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Someone on July 11, 2023, 09:56:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on July 11, 2023, 09:04:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 10, 2023, 11:56:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on July 10, 2023, 11:25:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 10, 2023, 08:36:53 am ---My daughter found one of those in a local bookshop when she was slightly "too young", i.e. about 7. I tried and failed to deflect her by pointing out other books on her traditional favourite subjects, to no avail.

--- End quote ---
The book I read didn't present it in a sexual way, the pictures were labeled so that a medical student can identify the different parts.
--- End quote ---
The book my daughter discovered (and I bought) was solely sexual.

Example: one diagram was a cross-section through a copulating couple.
--- End quote ---
Frankly that sounds like a parenting failure to me. The child is 7, the fact that you tried and failed to redirect her doesn't make much sense to me, you are the parent, you are the law, all you have to do is say "no, that's not appropriate for you at this age" and that should be that, case closed, there is no negotiating.

--- End quote ---
This is the person who tried to argue flood defences are a bad and evil thing as a hypothetical malevolent operator could use such defences to instead create floods:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/tidal-lagoon-energy-from-the-ocean-uk-gov-is-putting-money-in-it/msg632713/#msg632713

I'd agree and classify the person as disingenuous and a bad influence on society (and therefore their children). A simple substitution of another book that matches the Childs desires for choosing the inappropriate title should be relatively easy to construe, assuming a parent actually engages with their child and understands their motivations.

--- End quote ---

Wow.

One short post containing so many outright misrepresentations, strawman arguments, non-sequiteurs, and incorrect presumptions of understanding individuals and circumstances.

Quite an achievement.
james_s:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 11, 2023, 09:41:01 pm ---Oh riiiight.

Teach her not to be curious.

Teach her not to find answers by reading.

Teach her to deviously hide things from me.

Teach her that sex is a disgusting subject.

Teach her to be ashamed of asking questions and having independent thoughts.

Teach her that I'm not interested in what she is thinking.

Teach her that "might is right" rather than "right because reason X".

Good parenting... Not!

It was a good book. I was delighted she had found it and was fascinated by the subject. That's why I bought it for her so she could continue reading it at her leisure.

It paid dividends. Three years later she wanted chickens as pets. I didn't, and raised all sorts of objections. She went and did the research online, and countered every one of my objections with solid arguments. That delighted me, and I agreed we could have them. She specified what was needed in  a coop and enclosure, and we built one together. Over the next six years she used her chickens as a spring board for learning all sorts of skills that we never anticipated.

More recently she has used those attitudes and skills to successfully start her own business. She's even been invited to demonstrate to others that how it is possible to start their own business.

But I suppose you think that, because I didn't want something, I should have been "a good parent" by stomping on her interests and ambitions.

If letting her read that book was a parenting failure, IMNSHO the world would be a better place if more parents failed.

--- End quote ---

You are free to decide for yourself at what age it is appropriate to teach your child about various topics, that isn't really the issue. Personally I think 7 is too young to be taught about sex, they shouldn't be taught that it's dirty and disgusting, they simply don't really need to know about it at all, when I was 7 I only vaguely knew what sex was and I didn't care, I was busy being a kid. But like I said that isn't really the issue, the parenting failure here (which does not necessarily mean that you have failed overall as a parent) is succumbing  to the demands of a 7 year old after failing to direct them to something else. As a parent part of your job is to set reasonable and consistent rules and boundaries and stick to them, you can simply say "no" and that's that. You're the child's parent, not their friend.
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