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I shower in the nude. Please do not judge me. :) |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 12, 2023, 04:41:31 am ---One aspect of Finnish culture I really like is the concept of Sauna. It is a scrupulously clean place; like a surgery. Just like in pre-teen kids' lives, there is no room in there for sex. Even though families and friends typically bathe together nude, it's just nudity, explicitly non-sexual. And it's perfectly okay to say that I am too shy to bathe nude in a mixed crowd: it just leads to a common decision whether to bathe by gender or not, and a friendly reminder that it's always okay to wrap yourself in a towel in sauna if you're shy. At least in my circles! It is very common for teens and young adults to be shy and picky about it, with small kids and older adults having more relaxed attitudes. Hormones, perhaps? I think this cultural aspect teaches kids at the emotional level that there is perfectly ordinary non-sexual nudity. This gives a natural path to give kids the general outline of human biology, including procreation, while leaving the sexual activity aspects out of it, until they're old enough to understand. --- End quote --- Precisely, with one exception. I would change "sexual activity out of it" to "psychological and emotional aspects of it". The physical side of sexuality isn't - to me - a problematic issue. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 12, 2023, 05:51:23 am --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 12, 2023, 04:41:31 am ---One aspect of Finnish culture I really like is the concept of Sauna. It is a scrupulously clean place; like a surgery. Just like in pre-teen kids' lives, there is no room in there for sex. Even though families and friends typically bathe together nude, it's just nudity, explicitly non-sexual. And it's perfectly okay to say that I am too shy to bathe nude in a mixed crowd: it just leads to a common decision whether to bathe by gender or not, and a friendly reminder that it's always okay to wrap yourself in a towel in sauna if you're shy. At least in my circles! It is very common for teens and young adults to be shy and picky about it, with small kids and older adults having more relaxed attitudes. Hormones, perhaps? I think this cultural aspect teaches kids at the emotional level that there is perfectly ordinary non-sexual nudity. This gives a natural path to give kids the general outline of human biology, including procreation, while leaving the sexual activity aspects out of it, until they're old enough to understand. --- End quote --- I have no issue at all with non-sexual nudity, personally I prefer not to be nude around anyone that is not a romantic partner but I don't have an issue with whatever other people want to do. To me plain old nudity and sexual nudity are completely different things. Everybody has a set of naughty bits and there are only two varieties so there is no great secret there. --- End quote --- The problem with that is that the sexuality is in the mind of the observer, not the nude person. It is entirely possible to have one nude person, two observers, and only one observer thinking of sexual activity. Which view should dominate? Here's a clear (to me) example of that. In the US there appear to be creepy beauty pagents where parents dress their ?5-10? year old children like adults, including full makeup. I was gobsmacked when I heard about those, due to the Jon Ramsey Benet case hitting the headlines. |
| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 10:25:44 am ---I would change "sexual activity out of it" to "psychological and emotional aspects of it". --- End quote --- Yep; I couldn't think of better words to exactly express the difference between "human procreation as a biological process" and "having sex and its consequences". --- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 10:31:03 am ---It is entirely possible to have one nude person, two observers, and only one observer thinking of sexual activity. Which view should dominate? --- End quote --- The one that matches their behaviour, if we include things like eye focus and body language in "behaviour". --- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 10:31:03 am ---In the US there appear to be creepy beauty pagents where parents dress their ?5-10? year old children like adults, including full makeup. --- End quote --- Creepy parents are creepy. :-// |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 12, 2023, 02:59:26 pm --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 10:31:03 am ---In the US there appear to be creepy beauty pagents where parents dress their ?5-10? year old children like adults, including full makeup. --- End quote --- Creepy parents are creepy. :-// --- End quote --- It isn't clear to me that the parents are creepy. Thoughtless, yes. Misguided in terms of wanting to live their lives through their children, yes. Juvenile in terms of treating their children as dolls, yes. Dimwitted in claiming the children like it, yes. Even if the kids do enjoy the (only?) attention they get, that's not an excuse. But none of those can apply to the creeps that organise (for profit) the shows, nor those that watch the shows. They make me shudder and spit blood. |
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