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--- Quote from: james_s on July 12, 2023, 05:51:23 am --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 12, 2023, 04:41:31 am ---One aspect of Finnish culture I really like is the concept of Sauna. It is a scrupulously clean place; like a surgery. Just like in pre-teen kids' lives, there is no room in there for sex. Even though families and friends typically bathe together nude, it's just nudity, explicitly non-sexual. And it's perfectly okay to say that I am too shy to bathe nude in a mixed crowd: it just leads to a common decision whether to bathe by gender or not, and a friendly reminder that it's always okay to wrap yourself in a towel in sauna if you're shy. At least in my circles! It is very common for teens and young adults to be shy and picky about it, with small kids and older adults having more relaxed attitudes. Hormones, perhaps? I think this cultural aspect teaches kids at the emotional level that there is perfectly ordinary non-sexual nudity. This gives a natural path to give kids the general outline of human biology, including procreation, while leaving the sexual activity aspects out of it, until they're old enough to understand. --- End quote --- I have no issue at all with non-sexual nudity, personally I prefer not to be nude around anyone that is not a romantic partner but I don't have an issue with whatever other people want to do. To me plain old nudity and sexual nudity are completely different things. Everybody has a set of naughty bits and there are only two varieties so there is no great secret there. --- End quote --- The fact that you describe genitals as "naughty bits" speaks volumes. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---You sound like an HR-droid that treats employees as resources rather than people. Or a boss that thinks his minions should just obey commands and "don't need to know why". Or maybe as someone who believes in strong religious doctrines. --- End quote --- That's quite a lot of assumptions to make about somebody you don't know and have never met based on a single statement. I'm quite the opposite really, I'm an engineer, I'm not a people person and have/will never claim to be and I have zero interest in HR. A boss is fundamentally different than a parent, a boss's job is to work with his/her reports, coordinate their strengths, shield them from bs from higher layers in the org and give them the resources and support they need to grow in their career in order to get a job done. A parent's job is to raise their children into functional adults, totally different relationship. A parent has the absolute right to say no and to dictate what their child is allowed to have or do, as the child gets older they gradually get more freedom and autonomy. Employees are adults, adults have autonomy and are fully responsible for their own actions and behavior. A child is different, they will earn that autonomy as they grow up. Not even remotely the same thing. I'm about as far from "someone who believes in strong religious doctrines" as they come, I'm an agnostic atheist, never been to church in my life, don't plan on ever going, won't tell you not to go or not, don't know if my beliefs are "right" and don't care. I don't personally believe there is a supreme being that created the universe and I think as an explanation the concept creates more questions than it answers but on the other hand I can't say for certainty that there isn't. I simply don't know for sure, and I think anyone that does claim to know with certainty is either crazy or full of shit. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 12, 2023, 06:11:03 pm ---The fact that you describe genitals as "naughty bits" speaks volumes. --- End quote --- It's a term that I heard somewhere and thought it sounded funny, what exactly are you reading into those volumes that it speaks? It seems you've formed a complete picture of me based on a word I used in attempt to mix in a little humor and to be polite in mixed company. I'd encourage you to try to be a tad less prejudiced and not jump to conclusions. |
| Zero999:
What if your daughter decided she wanted crisps, a chocolate bar and ice cream for dinner? Would you say no, or just gave her what she wanted? |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 12, 2023, 10:31:03 am ---The problem with that is that the sexuality is in the mind of the observer, not the nude person. It is entirely possible to have one nude person, two observers, and only one observer thinking of sexual activity. Which view should dominate? Here's a clear (to me) example of that. In the US there appear to be creepy beauty pagents where parents dress their ?5-10? year old children like adults, including full makeup. I was gobsmacked when I heard about those, due to the Jon Ramsey Benet case hitting the headlines. --- End quote --- Sure but you can't control how an observer perceives something, and that is part of the problem with some of this "culture war" stuff that is going on. Some people are focused on trying to demand others to perceive something in a certain way and that is just fundamentally flawed, it's not possible to do. You can't stop an observer from possibly sexualizing in their head a nude person that they're observing, but there is a HUGE difference between say a centerfold from a Penthouse magazine and a photo of a nude female in a biology textbook. Yes those pageants where they tart up toddlers and parade them around in front of a room full of adults are repulsive, contrary to how it may appear I'm no prude, I consider myself "sex positive", I'm perfectly fine with adults doing whatever they want with other consenting adults with no shame in that and if statistics are to be believed I've had more partners than is average in my country, but I set a hard boundary between children, especially pre-pubescent children, and adults. Sexualizing pre-pubescent children is revolting and I think there is something seriously wrong with people that want to do that. |
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