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TimFox:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 05, 2022, 10:39:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 05, 2022, 10:16:01 pm ---
wonder how much is being wasted on christmas light trails ?i know of one install that requires a 300A 3 phase supply.

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*sniff, sniff*. What?  300A * 230V * sqrt(3) = 117kW?  You know of a Christmas lights install that uses 117,000W?  A typical LED bulb would be under 0.05W, so they have over 2.3 million LEDs?   Over, say, a 45 day "festive season" those lights would consume over 126MWh of electricity, at a cost of around £5m...

   :bullshit:

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Old-fashioned full-size Christmas tree incandescent bulbs pulled about 7 W.  They must have used over 16,000 bulbs in that display.  No wonder that they are now hard to find...

themadhippy:

--- Quote ---Modern LED Christmas lights hardly use any power.
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they dont,but
 
--- Quote ---The magic is back at the National Trust’s Kingston Lacy near Wimborne, Dorset. Over a million twinkling lights and seasonal sounds will fill the air with festive fun. 
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artag:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 05, 2022, 09:57:45 pm ---EVs aren't a problem now, but the grid needs to be expanded for the time when everyone has them. It's true their batteries could be used as storage, but a lot of people wouldn't like the idea of their car's battery being used as a free grid buffer.

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On the other hand, quite a lot of people will love the income they get from satisfying the demand pricing. The use of car storage will be far from free.

eti:
Look, the governments are clueless and inept. Also EVs are greenwash eco bullshit. Even the supposedly most “intelligent” people have become brainwashed and have bought into this idiotic sci-fi daydream.

It ain’t gonna work. We all KNOW they’re a scam - they’re not more economically sound, and I’m not gonna sit here and parrot science and figures to people intelligent enough to do it for themselves. It’s not ABOUT figures and graphs, it’s about personal biases and the middle/upper classes projecting guilt and virtue signalling as they fly around in their Buck Rogers supercharged milk floats 😂 hoping “Scientists will work it out in the end”

What a load of utter #####  bollocks. It’s a daydream and one day you WILL all wake up to it, because reality overrides daydreams.

Do your own research and you’ll soon see it doesn’t add up. I don’t come here to “justify” my views - you don’t need to justify yours either. My point is that they’re a joke which is halfway matured, and the full punchline has yet to be properly delivered. Wait and see - you’ll either laugh and carry on or cry in a tantrum because you blindly invested in a system which is unsustainable.

KaneTW:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 05, 2022, 10:39:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 05, 2022, 10:16:01 pm ---
wonder how much is being wasted on christmas light trails ?i know of one install that requires a 300A 3 phase supply.

--- End quote ---

*sniff, sniff*. What?  300A * 230V * sqrt(3) = 117kW?  You know of a Christmas lights install that uses 117,000W?  A typical LED bulb would be under 0.05W, so they have over 2.3 million LEDs?   Over, say, a 45 day "festive season" those lights would consume over 126MWh of electricity, at a cost of around £5m...

   :bullshit:

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300A * 230V * 3 * cos phi actually, so 207kVA apparent power.

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