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Someone:

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--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 06, 2022, 03:11:20 am ---
--- Quote ---Most of these renewables provide intermittent power, meaning they generate electricity when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining
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so something which stores the energy when available would be ideal,like the box  of bricks currently heating this place.thankfully there not lot 20 compliant.
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Sure sounds like you're one of the usual complainers that needs batting down.... being that lot 20 does not change existing installs, restricts the market for new installs, and there are new storage heaters on the market with LOT20 compliance.

So, still wanting to dream of the past?
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I'm fully aware what lot 20 is and its scope,I'm also aware ,from real life figures ,not reading random numbers in  a brochure that a like for like lot 20 compliment heater will actual consume MORE energy than these ancient heaters
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Talking about resistive heating (off peak electricity heating into bricks), how can consuming more power result in less heating ? ? ? all the energy ends up as heat with almost perfect unity.

or more accurately if you come back and say that there is no impediment to buying another storage heater, then what on earth were you saying originally (quoted above) ? What is better about the old heaters that you cannot buy? Resistive heating dump into a brick is pretty much impossible to screw up.

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It depends on the person's lifestyle. For me, storage heaters would cost more money to run. I prefer to have the heating off at night and most of the day, as I'm either at work, or out seeing family. I turn the heating on in the late-afternoon/early evening (I normally work shorter hours in winter, so I can avoid cycling in the dark) and it stays on until I go to bed. I also have the thermostat set to 15oC both to save energy and so I don't break into a sweat and have to remove layers of clothing, when doing housework.
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That convenient power you pull in the early evening is right on the peak wholesale cost, if you were exposed to that pricing then a storage unit would make sense running on midday power. Consumers are disconnected from the marginal costs so something needs to change, or those using most of their power on peak (as you do) will just continue being subsidised by others (suits you sir).
Zero999:

--- Quote from: Someone on December 10, 2022, 10:07:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 10, 2022, 07:10:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on December 07, 2022, 01:48:17 am ---
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 07, 2022, 12:23:32 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on December 06, 2022, 03:53:21 am ---
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 06, 2022, 03:11:20 am ---
--- Quote ---Most of these renewables provide intermittent power, meaning they generate electricity when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining
--- End quote ---
so something which stores the energy when available would be ideal,like the box  of bricks currently heating this place.thankfully there not lot 20 compliant.
--- End quote ---
Sure sounds like you're one of the usual complainers that needs batting down.... being that lot 20 does not change existing installs, restricts the market for new installs, and there are new storage heaters on the market with LOT20 compliance.

So, still wanting to dream of the past?
--- End quote ---
I'm fully aware what lot 20 is and its scope,I'm also aware ,from real life figures ,not reading random numbers in  a brochure that a like for like lot 20 compliment heater will actual consume MORE energy than these ancient heaters
--- End quote ---
Talking about resistive heating (off peak electricity heating into bricks), how can consuming more power result in less heating ? ? ? all the energy ends up as heat with almost perfect unity.

or more accurately if you come back and say that there is no impediment to buying another storage heater, then what on earth were you saying originally (quoted above) ? What is better about the old heaters that you cannot buy? Resistive heating dump into a brick is pretty much impossible to screw up.

--- End quote ---
It depends on the person's lifestyle. For me, storage heaters would cost more money to run. I prefer to have the heating off at night and most of the day, as I'm either at work, or out seeing family. I turn the heating on in the late-afternoon/early evening (I normally work shorter hours in winter, so I can avoid cycling in the dark) and it stays on until I go to bed. I also have the thermostat set to 15oC both to save energy and so I don't break into a sweat and have to remove layers of clothing, when doing housework.
--- End quote ---
That convenient power you pull in the early evening is right on the peak wholesale cost, if you were exposed to that pricing then a storage unit would make sense running on midday power. Consumers are disconnected from the marginal costs so something needs to change, or those using most of their power on peak (as you do) will just continue being subsidised by others (suits you sir).

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That's a good point. Anyway, it doesn't affect me, since I use gas for heating.
richard.cs:
I see we're into the orange again today at 45.5 GW demand, there's only 1.2 GW of wind, and Drax are warming up two coal units for this evening.
Gyro:
I see the French, Dutch and Norway ICTs are maxed out too. We also seem to be usng pumped storage early in the day, that's normally reserved for sudden peak loads (kettle breaks).
xmris:
I am watching another similar site https://grid.iamkate.com/ and hell, wholesale price was £1650/MWh a couple of hours ago...
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