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University of Minnesota Linux code security issues; banned and to be removed
Ed.Kloonk:
The code was submitted under the banner of the name of the Uni. Not as an individual.
Ed.Kloonk:
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There may be a lot of poor judgement here, especially by the author, and I would not want to be in that fellow's shoes or his supervisor....but I don't see that something very severe will be done...and I may find out otherwise as it is story that is unfolding.
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Don't get me wrong. The ban won't be forever. I expect that trust will resume once a change of leadership has happened. It's up to them.
DrG:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 25, 2021, 02:21:23 am ---
--- Quote from: DrG on April 25, 2021, 02:07:45 am ---
There may be a lot of poor judgement here, especially by the author, and I would not want to be in that fellow's shoes or his supervisor....but I don't see that something very severe will be done...and I may find out otherwise as it is story that is unfolding.
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Don't get me wrong. The ban won't be forever. I expect that trust will resume once a change of leadership has happened. It's up to them.
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No, I think I understand what you are saying. The ban is for submissions from their .edu. So, how damaging is that for the Univ? I don't know who gets really hurt there...one way of telling is if the Univ says...we have done x y z to prevent this from happening ....and then the ban gets lifted.
edited: I mean, the Linuxites seem to be within their rights....we got these bogus patch requests from your .edu and they wasted our time, so we are not going to accept such requests from your .edu. How bad is that and for whom?
ataradov:
--- Quote from: DrG on April 25, 2021, 02:07:45 am ---So, what, if anything, do you do to this fellow and his supervisor if you are the University?
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Get them out. Do so with the review board too. They should know better that unethical behaviour does not just starts at human experimentation. And if they really think it does - they need to go just for that reason.
I think it is not too late for the University to resolve the issue in general, just talk to the kernel people in private.
--- Quote from: DrG on April 25, 2021, 02:07:45 am ---Let's say the proceedings folks cancel it - same situation...if it was accepted, what has changed?
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The understanding that this childish behaviour should not be encouraged. Because even if kernel people are no longer talking to you, presenting that at a conference may be a decent "get" anyway.
--- Quote from: DrG on April 25, 2021, 02:07:45 am ---If they now decide it is unethical, what changed?
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This "research" is clear waste of time and money. To anyone with half a brain, it should be obvious that you can get the bad code into the kernel. This happens all the time unintentionally. Obviously doing so intentionally is even easier. How is this not obvious? The topic of the paper is just dumb, it demonstrates absolutely nothing, as there is no way to address the supposed issue.
--- Quote from: DrG on April 25, 2021, 02:07:45 am ---Somebody want to start litigation of some kind - ok, now show damages.
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I would not. Why waste time? Not dealing with people that intentionally waste my time is the best I can do.
ataradov:
--- Quote from: DrG on April 25, 2021, 02:29:20 am ---I don't know who gets really hurt there...one way of telling is if the Univ says...we have done x y z to prevent this from happening ....and then the ban gets lifted.
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I'm pretty sure this is resolvable. The University just need to talk in private, and not issue more stupid suggestions to update the code of conduct. Get someone who is not too woke to do that.
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