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ataradov:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2021, 05:13:07 pm ---IF <AnotherPerson> DID <something I would not be ashamed of doing myself> THEN
  Defend;
ELSE
  Condemn;

--- End quote ---
This is not a bad algorithm. After all, all societal norms are what majority of people in the society see as acceptable. For better or worse.

And percentage of defending of condemning show how much of a grey area the behaviour is.
DrG:

--- Quote from: ataradov on April 25, 2021, 05:17:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2021, 05:13:07 pm ---IF <AnotherPerson> DID <something I would not be ashamed of doing myself> THEN
  Defend;
ELSE
  Condemn;

--- End quote ---
This is not a bad algorithm. After all, all societal norms are what majority of people in the society see as acceptable. For better or worse.
...

--- End quote ---

Note that there is a difference between not being ashamed of doing something and not being ashamed of getting caught doing something that you are not ashamed of doing....just ask a sociopath :)
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: ataradov on April 25, 2021, 05:17:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2021, 05:13:07 pm ---IF <AnotherPerson> DID <something I would not be ashamed of doing myself> THEN
  Defend;
ELSE
  Condemn;

--- End quote ---
This is not a bad algorithm. After all, all societal norms are what majority of people in the society see as acceptable. For better or worse.

And percentage of defending of condemning show how much of a grey area the behaviour is.

--- End quote ---



Where that algorithm falls down is that what makes you ashamed is defined by your upbringing and culture, as much as (or more than) what you are actually doing...

The same person can be ashamed of something as a teenager that they then routinely do later in life, and vice versa.

It is also possible to be "incorrectly ashamed" of something that is actually natural.

Basically, the feeling of being ashamed of something is not really a sound basis for condemning others?



ataradov:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2021, 05:24:42 pm ---The same person can be ashamed of something as a teenager that they then routinely do later in life, and vice versa.

--- End quote ---
Sure, but you can make finer subdivisions of the society and apply the same algorithm.


--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2021, 05:24:42 pm ---It is also possible to be "incorrectly ashamed" of something that is actually natural.

--- End quote ---
For sure, and that would represent societal flaw. Those happen too in real life and societies need to work on fixing those.


--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2021, 05:24:42 pm ---Basically, the feeling of being ashamed of something is not really a sound basis for condemning others?

--- End quote ---
May be not, but it is one of the factors.

I personally would be more supportive of the researches if they research was actually novel or proposed a real path to a solution of the exposed problem. It is neither in this case.

I would draw parallel with HeartBleed vulnerability discovery. It opened the flood gate of similar speculation and cache-timing attacks. It caused short term havoc. But it also had concrete path to fixing the issue, even if it was hard and required redesign of a lot of silicon, and potentially losing some performance.
hans:
Well, if all research must find an even balance between the number of problems they find and solve, we wouldn't get anywhere. It's almost cliche, but: “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”

Nonetheless, I do think that this work and actions is basically firing a shotgun at point blank range and pointing at the huge exit wound it created. No shit sherlock. That's why we have huge collections of static analysis tools, formal verification tools unit test frameworks and heuristics to combat bugs and regressions. But in virtually any equation, humans will be the limiting factor in how well we do.
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