Unusual design of a free-flow hydropower station

[nali]

This looks like it is turning into one of those "I found lots of stuff on YouTube and the web, please help me make it / invest in my company / whatever" type threads. Reminds me of this one...

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/the-non-linear-plasma-reactor/msg4210558/#msg4210558

 

[Hydro]

When did you get this feeling?
After the article with scientific justification was published?
Or earlier ?

[Andy Chee]

If you're short on time, then don't read it.
It will be better

And on this principle it is possible to construct a kinematically more advanced design.

It is not possible because.... physics.

Andy Chee
I'll give you a couple of days to find the error here.
Then I'll post the rest of the article.
It's not as simple as this anymore

I read the whole article, people can read it here:

https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/a-highly-efficient-method-for-deriving-energy-from-a-free-flow-liquid-on-the-basis-of-the-specific-hydrodynamic-effect

The only reason you held back, is because you are hiding something.  What are you hiding?

[Hydro]

I'm not hiding anything, I'll show everything.
And the following articles in this series.
Have you seen them?

I just try to keep things gradual.
Do you have any objections or did you find errors on the first three pages?
Maybe someone else will find it.
If not, then I’ll put the rest of the pages

[Andy Chee]

Do you have any objections or did you find errors on the first three pages?

The derivation of equations (5) and (6) are incorrect.

[Hydro]

Where is the mistake ?
The article is not new. No one has ever found an error in these equations.

What should be correct in your opinion?

[Andy Chee]

Where is the mistake ?

If you can't see it, then there's no way you will understand my explanation.

[Hydro]

I'll try to understand.
Well, or I’ll send your explanation to the specialists.
Try to explain, please.

[soldar]

I'll try to understand.
Well, or I’ll send your explanation to the specialists.
Try to explain, please.

I believe you are wasting precious energy here. You have come to the wrong place and you have the wrong audience here. You are just spinning your wheels.

There are probably better places in the Internet where you can go pitch this nonsense.

[eutectique]

If anyone is interested, I will try to explain the principle of operation as I understand it

I would love to see the explanations.

[Hydro]

I believe you are wasting precious energy here. You have come to the wrong place and you have the wrong audience here. You are just spinning your wheels.

There are probably better places in the Internet where you can go pitch this nonsense.

After all, no one is dragging you here on a lasso.
If you don't want to, don't look.
There are a hundred topics here that are not interesting to me and that I don’t go to and don’t waste time on.
I recommend that you do the same with this one - you will save both time and energy.
Spend it on topics that are useful to you.
For cats, for example....

[Hydro]

If anyone is interested, I will try to explain the principle of operation as I understand it

I would love to see the explanations.

Yes, sure.
Please.

[Andy Chee]

If anyone is interested, I will try to explain the principle of operation as I understand it

I would love to see the explanations.

Yes, sure.
Please.

Your posted images show Mr. G.V. Treshchalov's explanation.

What is YOUR explanation Mr. Hydro?  I don't think you understand it, that's why you keep hiding the complete document.  That's why I can't be bothered explaining the errors, it's much too difficult for you.

[Hydro]

Do it. I'll send it to him
He will answer when he is free.

It is not difficult to post the entire document and I will do it when the questions regarding this part are clarified.

If you want, you can post the entire document now if you have it.
I do not mind.

[Hydro]

Your posted images show Mr. G.V. Treshchalov's explanation.

What is YOUR explanation Mr. Hydro?  I don't think you understand it, that's why you keep hiding the complete document.  That's why I can't be bothered explaining the errors, it's much too difficult for you.

Then don’t waste time, use point 4 of the FORUM RULES.

4) Don't take things too seriously, chill out, life is short, have a laugh.

Or send these comments directly to the author of the article. It seems his address is there.

[IanB]

I'll show you the calculation.
You will have the opportunity to disprove it using physics.

This is really not how things work. The onus is on you to prove it using your physics.

None of us have any reason to put time into it, since we didn't start the topic and we don't care about it. It is your topic that you started, that you care about. So you have to make the case for it. Posting some kind of wacky, complicated paper is not making a case.

[tggzzz]

I'll show you the calculation.
You will have the opportunity to disprove it using physics.

If you make extraordinary claims, then you have to provide extraordinary proof.

That's the way it has always been, since it allows competent people to produce competent results. The alternative is competent people wasting all their time refuting rubbish.

[Andy Chee]

Given that you live in Pakistan, you may not have heard of the health technology company Theranos who invented the "Edison" fingerprick blood testing machine.

Basically you are doing the same thing as Theranos i.e. you are making claims without proof. 

And no, a single theoretical paper (with errors) is not proof.

[Hydro]

I'll show you the calculation.
You will have the opportunity to disprove it using physics.

If you make extraordinary claims, then you have to provide extraordinary proof.

That's the way it has always been, since it allows competent people to produce competent results. The alternative is competent people wasting all their time refuting rubbish.

What extraordinary claims have I made?
I showed a working free flow turbine

Why did you decide that evidence needs to be presented this way?
Usually, for this purpose, they refer to physics textbooks or scientific articles.
What am I doing.
What extraordinary do you see in this article?
Are there any objections to the article?

If you consider yourself a competent specialist, then competently refute it.
You can write a scientific article. This is exactly how science works.

[soldar]

I'll show you the calculation.
You will have the opportunity to disprove it using physics.

This is really not how things work. The onus is on you to prove it using your physics.

None of us have any reason to put time into it, since we didn't start the topic and we don't care about it. It is your topic that you started, that you care about. So you have to make the case for it. Posting some kind of wacky, complicated paper is not making a case.

Don Lancaster used to get all sorts of crazy overunity ideas and I remember him saying something to the effect of "Dont, send them to me, don't ask me to prove you wrong, I am not going to spend time on it, maybe even if I tried I could not spot the error, I don't care, it's in there and the fact that I cannot spot it does not make your idea valid, just do not waste my time with overunity ideas."

"If your device seems to give over unity efficiency it is because you are not accounting for all energy input and output. For example, I get from my car 1000 miles to the gallon ... of windshield wiper fluid."

[Hydro]

"If your device seems to give over unity efficiency it is because you are not accounting for all energy input and output. For example, I get from my car 1000 miles to the gallon ... of windshield wiper fluid."

Did I say that???
Wake up!
Everything there is based on the elementary law of conservation.
Here is the continuation of the article. It’s written there in black and white, if anyone hasn’t understood yet.
It takes into account both incoming and outgoing energy.

[BravoV]

Just straight to the point will ya ? ... How much do you need to start ?

[eutectique]

I would love to see the explanations.

Yes, sure.
Please.

Thank you.

Perhaps, this explanation brought you to some conclusions, practical or otherwise.

Would you please share them in 3-6 sentences?

[Hydro]

Thank you.

Perhaps, this explanation brought you to some conclusions, practical or otherwise.

Would you please share them in 3-6 sentences?

It can be done in one sentence.
"A principle has been developed on which free-flow hydraulic turbines of various designs can be designed with increased energy efficiency"

[Hydro]

Just straight to the point will ya ? ... How much do you need to start ?

What are you about ?
How many sentences do I need to explain the principle of operation?
I already said above - one thing