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USB-C charging law in the EU.
AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 10, 2023, 01:08:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on November 10, 2023, 11:18:18 am ---Well, in practice rechargeable-battery-operated tablets, cameras, video games, navigation systems, earbuds etc. will include WiFi and/or Bluetooth functionality, so they are radio equipment. Not sure whether a device without any radio interface would be outside of the scope of the planned rules, but I am not aware of any radio-less current product in these categories anyway.
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Still lots of cameras out there that don't have wireless functionality.
Notably absent from the list are battery operated power tools, which rarely have wireless functionality. My opinion is that those should be required to have USB-C and/or an IEC mains input on the tool or on the battery unless they are IP65 rated or greater.
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No, just no. The power output of usb-c isn't up to the job in any case, for the bigger batteries and the requirement for fast charging, but apart from that, keep shitty, fragile consumer crap out of my workplace, thank you very much. Also that would require impractical increases of size for batteries or tools. No.
JPortici:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on November 10, 2023, 02:00:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 10, 2023, 03:45:46 am ---
--- Quote from: BeBuLamar on November 09, 2023, 04:01:44 pm ---To do so the BMS system as well as a boost converter is needed for devices that requires higher voltage than USB-C is capable to provide.
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USB-PD goes up to 48V for the latest version. More than that and just putting an IEC mains input on the device would make most sense in most cases.
--- Quote from: TimFox on November 09, 2023, 10:48:51 pm ---This EU press release has a list of objects that require USB-C charging: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/10/24/common-charger-eu-ministers-give-final-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/
Question: is that list exhaustive?
Mention is made of a later deadline for laptops.
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Seems odd to mention video game *consoles* rather than video game *controllers*. Are they trying to limit new game consoles to 240W of power use or was that a misprint?
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I think if a console has battery charging in it, limiting it to 240W is a reasonable request. Think about a PSP or a Oculus headset, not a PS5 or Xbox.
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The Switch itself is a good example: the USB C port supports fast charging, and if you connect it to the dock, also audio/video output, ethernet, memory, accessories. Controllers are either wired or with wireless charge
--- Quote from: EPAIII on November 10, 2023, 04:05:38 am ---Why can't they just let the market decide how things are made?
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Ah yes, the good old times in which every phone maker and model had a different barrel plug and/or data connector with proprietary protocol for data transfert. Damn the EU and their memorandums that suggested manufacturers to adopt USB for power and data transferts or it would be mandated by law anyway. The world has truly suffered from that intrusion in the free market and its self regulation (it would have taken just a little more time, trust me)
Bud:
--- Quote from: tooki on November 10, 2023, 02:34:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: Bud on November 10, 2023, 02:27:06 pm ---Not sure what you mean. Obviously USB-C is a fragile connector no matter how much materials you wrap around it. A slight vertical push on a plugged connector is all that us needed to bend and crack the mating part.
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Nonsense. It’s not “obviously” fragile, nor is it independent of the “materials you wrap around it”. Smart manufacturers use molded or milled slots in a thick part of the enclosure to mechanically guide the plug, so that it’s the enclosure, not the socket, taking all the force. This has proven to be very reliable.
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Proven? Bullshit with capital B.
wraper:
--- Quote from: Bud on November 10, 2023, 06:03:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on November 10, 2023, 02:34:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: Bud on November 10, 2023, 02:27:06 pm ---Not sure what you mean. Obviously USB-C is a fragile connector no matter how much materials you wrap around it. A slight vertical push on a plugged connector is all that us needed to bend and crack the mating part.
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Nonsense. It’s not “obviously” fragile, nor is it independent of the “materials you wrap around it”. Smart manufacturers use molded or milled slots in a thick part of the enclosure to mechanically guide the plug, so that it’s the enclosure, not the socket, taking all the force. This has proven to be very reliable.
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Proven? Bullshit with capital B.
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Many phones and tablets are proven to survive just fine with connector cycled every day and device dropped or pulled hard by the user with cable inserted. Unless it's SMT only and without TH mounting tabs most of USB-C female connectors will run circles around round charging connectors, most of other other large connectors, and especially full size USB A and B. When seeing broken USB-C and micro, people forget that large connectors that may seem more reliable do not get nearly as much abuse.
wraper:
BTW I worked in mobile phone repair service for several years a bit more than a decade ago. And from repairing many thousands of phones I can say that micro USB connector itself was almost never damaged, even when ripped off the board (types with poor mounting). Also there were certain types of them with heavy TH mounting of which I haven't seen a single one damaged or ripped of the board. They were totally indestructible.
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