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USB-C charging law in the EU.

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NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on November 10, 2023, 02:45:05 pm ---No, just no. The power output of usb-c isn't up to the job in any case, for the bigger batteries and the requirement for fast charging, but apart from that, keep shitty, fragile consumer crap out of my workplace, thank you very much. Also that would require impractical increases of size for batteries or tools. No.

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What power tool charger you have that's greater than 240W? Only ones I can think of are the ones for cordless mowers, but that's already big enough for an IEC mains input to make sense. (And the ability to run either corded or cordless would be nice for the majority of cases where a large part of the lawn is easily within reach of an outlet using a reasonable length extension cord, but part of it is not.)

Icchan:

--- Quote from: TimFox on November 09, 2023, 10:48:51 pm ---https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/10/24/common-charger-eu-ministers-give-final-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/

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There only single thin ont hat category list that i'm even tad iffy about: digital cameras and video game consoles

I mean... if they're portable and rechargeable... sure. But for PS5 or similar? Naaah... and I think the reason is that these rules apply only if the thing is RECARGEABLE or capable of running from max 24v 60W-100W supply or lower.

I mean they're not idiots. Obviously not going to charge your EV from USB-C now are you? What they're trying to do is to reduce e-waste, and tons and tons of e-waste is proprietary charging and powersupply solutions manufacturers use for no reason what so ever.

And this goes good ways to get that shit in line.

David Hess:

--- Quote from: Bud on November 10, 2023, 02:27:06 pm ---Not sure what you mean. Obviously USB-C is a fragile connector no matter how much materials you wrap around it. A slight vertical push on a plugged connector is all that us needed to bend and crack the mating part.
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I agree, and I dread when the USB-C connector on my phone or laptop fails.  The Framework laptop allows the user to replace the USB-C module.  My own laptop has *two* USB-C ports and both support bidirectional power, but later models only have one, of course.


--- Quote from: EPAIII on November 10, 2023, 04:05:38 am ---Bunch of busy-bodies with nothing better to do.

Why can't they just let the market decide how things are made? I smell a billionaire-wanna-be in the making here. Somebody is trying to reap some money. I don't know who, but somebody!
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Separate adapters and charging systems do produce more waste, but so do batteries.  I would have preferred that they charge a Pigouvian tax based on the negative externalities of disposing of the extra waste, including batteries, but I suspect this was not politically feasible.


--- Quote from: JPortici on November 10, 2023, 03:28:15 pm ---Ah yes, the good old times in which every phone maker and model had a different barrel plug and/or data connector with proprietary protocol for data transfert.
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The USB-C PD protocol supports cryptographic authentication so manufacturers are still free to tie their products to their chargers.  It was part of the standard from the very start.  I predict nothing will change, only now the chargers will look like they should be compatible when they are not.

With that said, my Samsung phone is incredibly picky about which USB-C chargers support "fast charging".  It even pops up a message taunting me when an "unauthorized" charger is connected.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---The USB-C PD protocol supports cryptographic authentication so manufacturers are still free to tie their products to their chargers.
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Seems to defeat the point of mandating USB-C and, as you  note, just adds confusion as to why your device isn't charging.

CJay:

--- Quote from: David Hess on November 11, 2023, 03:49:16 am ---The USB-C PD protocol supports cryptographic authentication so manufacturers are still free to tie their products to their chargers.  It was part of the standard from the very start.  I predict nothing will change, only now the chargers will look like they should be compatible when they are not.

With that said, my Samsung phone is incredibly picky about which USB-C chargers support "fast charging".  It even pops up a message taunting me when an "unauthorized" charger is connected.

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Yup, just like Apple have done for years.

At least the USB-C crypto authentication is intended in good faith, unlike the Apple one which was always designed to lock out other manufacturers unless they paid to join the party.

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