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--- Quote from: Icchan on November 11, 2023, 02:09:19 am --- --- Quote from: TimFox on November 09, 2023, 10:48:51 pm ---https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/10/24/common-charger-eu-ministers-give-final-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/ --- End quote --- There only single thin ont hat category list that i'm even tad iffy about: digital cameras and video game consoles I mean... if they're portable and rechargeable... sure. But for PS5 or similar? Naaah... and I think the reason is that these rules apply only if the thing is RECARGEABLE or capable of running from max 24v 60W-100W supply or lower. I mean they're not idiots. Obviously not going to charge your EV from USB-C now are you? What they're trying to do is to reduce e-waste, and tons and tons of e-waste is proprietary charging and powersupply solutions manufacturers use for no reason what so ever. And this goes good ways to get that shit in line. --- End quote --- Word charging port means it's used for charging. If device has no charging capability this law does not apply. Also this is a press release, look into actual document where it's explicitly said handheld videogame consoles. All the fuss over refusing to understand what it's all about. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: CJay on November 11, 2023, 08:26:01 am --- --- Quote from: David Hess on November 11, 2023, 03:49:16 am ---The USB-C PD protocol supports cryptographic authentication so manufacturers are still free to tie their products to their chargers. It was part of the standard from the very start. I predict nothing will change, only now the chargers will look like they should be compatible when they are not. With that said, my Samsung phone is incredibly picky about which USB-C chargers support "fast charging". It even pops up a message taunting me when an "unauthorized" charger is connected. --- End quote --- Yup, just like Apple have done for years. At least the USB-C crypto authentication is intended in good faith, unlike the Apple one which was always designed to lock out other manufacturers unless they paid to join the party. --- End quote --- That is completely untrue: Apple’s USB-C devices are happy to charge from standard chargers. The sole exception is the very first USB-C MacBook, whose USB-C implementation followed the preliminary USB PD standard (the only version out at the time). For whatever reason, the at the last minute the USB Forum changed the voltages in the final USB PD standard, stranding that MacBook that uses a voltage unsupported in chargers built to the final standard. All subsequent Apple devices with USB-C charging are happy to charge with third party chargers. |
| mendip_discovery:
I do find it interesting that the company that pioneered the use if USB in the first place was one of the slowest to change thier chargers for phones. They are the ones that have forced the hand of the EU. The USB charging ports I often come across as designed for iPhones so don't support fast charging or even have the current to charge the phone in some cases. But that might improve with these regulations but I won't hold my breath. Let's just hope they don't go silly and start insisting every charger has to be USB. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on November 11, 2023, 10:02:19 am ---I do find it interesting that the company that pioneered the use if USB in the first place was one of the slowest to change thier chargers for phones. They are the ones that have forced the hand of the EU. --- End quote --- As I said, they were reluctant to change because they already had the reputation of changing their connectors too frequently. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t… (But I am a bit perplexed that it took as long as it did, since they had already moved almost everything else to USB-C already. For me, it went from USB-C on my iPad being the weirdo among my Apple devices, with everything else using Lightning, to everything using USB-C except for the iPhone, with its Lightning being the oddball. Once I get a new iPhone, I’ll be able to just carry USB-C cables for all my devices, both Apple and otherwise.) |
| AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 11, 2023, 01:28:42 am --- --- Quote from: AVGresponding on November 10, 2023, 02:45:05 pm ---No, just no. The power output of usb-c isn't up to the job in any case, for the bigger batteries and the requirement for fast charging, but apart from that, keep shitty, fragile consumer crap out of my workplace, thank you very much. Also that would require impractical increases of size for batteries or tools. No. --- End quote --- What power tool charger you have that's greater than 240W? Only ones I can think of are the ones for cordless mowers, but that's already big enough for an IEC mains input to make sense. (And the ability to run either corded or cordless would be nice for the majority of cases where a large part of the lawn is easily within reach of an outlet using a reasonable length extension cord, but part of it is not.) --- End quote --- Any modern real power tool with a fast charger. Personal example would be my DeWalt fast charger that does an 18V 5.0Ah battery in 20 minutes. Then there's the DeWalt FlexVolt, not sure what the charge power is on those but it's going to be more than 240W. Pretty sure all the main manufacturers have a fast charger for their pro/pro-sumer grade tools. This is besides the point in any case, as these things are just too flimsy to survive more than a few days on any construction site I've ever worked on. NB: You septics call 18V Li-ion batteries 20V, for some reason. |
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