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| wraper:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on November 13, 2023, 12:43:55 pm ---Not even just that, but all the Bosch, Gardena, PowerX and other brand powertools that get used 1x a year or a few times when you are renovating. They could easily use the same battery pack. And it doesn't have to be the same way for concrete impact drivers. --- End quote --- https://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal/de/en/save-money-space-and-time-with-one-battery-for-many-brands-215504.html |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on November 13, 2023, 12:43:55 pm ---You place the charging circuit into the battery pack. --- End quote --- Yes, let's duplicate the 48V input step down converter across every pack. Some people have dozens. Yay, we're saving the planet! Consumer toys little more capable than your wrist might benefit. Serious power tools need not apply. |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: wraper on November 13, 2023, 12:52:48 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on November 13, 2023, 12:43:55 pm ---Not even just that, but all the Bosch, Gardena, PowerX and other brand powertools that get used 1x a year or a few times when you are renovating. They could easily use the same battery pack. And it doesn't have to be the same way for concrete impact drivers. --- End quote --- https://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal/de/en/save-money-space-and-time-with-one-battery-for-many-brands-215504.html --- End quote --- The problem is that group only includes one manufacturer of power tools. Every other manufacturer in that alliance is a garden tools manufacturer or makes one or two specialist tools. Why is there no Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt...? Probably because Bosch does not want to share the market with them. |
| Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: tom66 on November 13, 2023, 02:18:56 pm ---The problem is that group only includes one manufacturer of power tools. Why is there no Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt...? Probably because Bosch does not want to share the market with them. --- End quote --- This is what always happens: manufacturers do not want interoperability until they are forced to by legislators. On the other hand, allowing non-compatible products allows innovations, so it's a trade-off. Some "industry standard" often appears, and in case of power tool battery systems that would be Makita LXT which is probably the only battery form factor widely copied by many different competitors, mostly Chinesium of course. I haven't seen any other power tool battery standard copied like that, so that you widely get not just replacement batteries and chargers, but complete power tools of their own designs from different manufacturers than the original one. And I'm sure that if that happened to Robert Bosch or any other German "manufacturer", they would do their best to shut down their compatible competitors by DRM and whatever; Makita probably understands that being an industry standard is a good thing for their business. |
| Veteran68:
I'm a big fan of USB-C for many use cases, certainly for portable device charging. I was never so happy to get mine and the wife's iPhone 15's so that we can ditch Lightening. Our iPads were already USB-C. Our AirPods Pro cases charge wirelessly. The only thing I have left that uses Lightning are our AppleTV remotes, and I keep some cables around for guests to cover that. They only need charging every few months. I do agree that it would be misguided for larger power tools. Years ago I bought into the DeWalt 20V scheme. Haven't taken an inventory recently but have a least a dozen tools, and at least that many batteries. --- Quote from: Siwastaja on November 13, 2023, 02:23:57 pm ---Some "industry standard" often appears, and in case of power tool battery systems that would be Makita LXT which is probably the only battery form factor widely copied by many different competitors, mostly Chinesium of course. I haven't seen any other power tool battery standard copied like that, so that you widely get not just replacement batteries and chargers, but complete power tools of their own designs from different manufacturers than the original one. --- End quote --- You can buy knockoff DeWalt 20V batteries. I have a couple of 6.0Ah batteries that realistically are closer to genuine DeWalt 4.0Ah in runtime, but they otherwise work great, and two of them were cheaper than a single DeWalt 5.0Ah battery. But the rest of my batteries are genuine DeWalt. I've got so many batteries now that I try to buy the tool-only versions. I also have a drawer full of DeWalt chargers that I don't need, as I already have 3 charging bays online at all times (1x dual charger + 1x single). |
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