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USB-C mechanical design is flimsy and pathetic.

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eti:

--- Quote from: VK3DRB on September 17, 2020, 04:09:02 am ---
--- Quote from: eti on September 16, 2020, 06:53:14 am --- I used to work on production lines assembling/testing DIN rail controls and sensors for military and industrial purposes. I don't expect consumer junk to be built that well **these days** (it almost always came close, decades ago).

I'm so so bored and done with the whole consumer electronics/iot/"smart" bollocks that everyone on YouTube laps up and fawns over, this trash upsets my soul, it's all so dull. I'd love to be back in industrial grade or above, and not have to waste my talents on this shite, and the inevitability dumb consumer-grade misunderstandings, conversations and daily PEBKAC tedium that comes along for the ride.

I'm far happier working on stuff with ZERO public coverage or consumer appeal, ergo I don't get asked endless questions by people who've NO need to know WHY I'm doing a repair that way, etc. I'd rather answer "what's your job?" with something that sounds SO much like "particle accelerator" to the average man, that they'd be disinterested enough to never be tempted to ask again

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So I guess you are not one of those Apple fanboys who line up at the Apple store at 5am to be the first to photographed by the paparazzi as your walk out, head held high, after blowing your dough on an overpriced toy.

I remember a very competent TV technician friend went a house to fix a TV in the 1980's. He got told off by a customer as he opened a circuit diagram to fault find. The customer said something like, "What sort of mechanic are you when you have to read the instructions? I would rather someone who know what they are doing, thank you very much." My friend simply packed up, walked out, got into his van and drove off without saying a word.

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"So I guess"

I'd keep guessing if I were you.  ;D

So you see me make a comment about how I admire an Apple designed *connector system* (and. I didn't say anything else, lest ye forget), and JUMP to some   wild, trolling conclusion and ramble on about my purchase habits, of which you know and always will know, absolutely nothing.

I put it to you that you are attempting to bait me or "troll" me, and I respond by  chuckling at your impotent provocation, and tell you I'll report you next time, wise acre.

Berni:
All the USB connections that came after MiniUSB are fragile crap.

I have replaced so many microUSB connectors in tablets and phones, the connectors insides completely falling apart and such. Have not moved onto USB-C yet to see that.

MiniUSB on the other hand is built like a tank. Pretty much all of the MicroUSB connectors i had to repair was the whole connector ripped off the board. The connector was fine and everything, just needed to be soldered back down and it works. So even in harsh use the connectors is stronger than the solder holding it down.

But but... what about USB 3.0! 480Mbit is for peasants!
Well... MiniUSB also had a 10pin variant invented back in 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_mini-USB
It has enough pins to carry USB 3.0 signals while being the same size as normal MiniUSB and so being backwards compatible with existing normal 5 pin MiniUSB cables. Back then USB 3.0 didn't exist tho so phones mostly used it as a more sleek replacement for the gazilion pin proprietary multi conector that also carries things like analog audio, video or even RS232. But then the crappy flimsy microUSB came around and killed it.

coppercone2:
good circuits and connectors often do not look good cosmetically, or good physics apparatus. If people see a industrial wiring box with rails and terminal blocks and stuff they think its old and needs to be replaced with a cute tile or fancy 3 dimensional object with miters

wraper:

--- Quote from: Berni on September 17, 2020, 05:26:46 am ---All the USB connections that came after MiniUSB are fragile crap.

I have replaced so many microUSB connectors in tablets and phones, the connectors insides completely falling apart and such. Have not moved onto USB-C yet to see that.

MiniUSB on the other hand is built like a tank. Pretty much all of the MicroUSB connectors i had to repair was the whole connector ripped off the board. The connector was fine and everything, just needed to be soldered back down and it works. So even in harsh use the connectors is stronger than the solder holding it down.

But but... what about USB 3.0! 480Mbit is for peasants!
Well... MiniUSB also had a 10pin variant invented back in 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_mini-USB
It has enough pins to carry USB 3.0 signals while being the same size as normal MiniUSB and so being backwards compatible with existing normal 5 pin MiniUSB cables. Back then USB 3.0 didn't exist tho so phones mostly used it as a more sleek replacement for the gazilion pin proprietary multi conector that also carries things like analog audio, video or even RS232. But then the crappy flimsy microUSB came around and killed it.

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:palm: Mini USB is the worst garbage out of all of them. Good riddance.

--- Quote ---I have replaced so many microUSB connectors in tablets and phones, the connectors insides completely falling apart and such
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If it's a good connector with 4 TH mounting points they almost never fail or break off. Connectors with no TH mounting have issues holding on the PCB.

BravoV:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 17, 2020, 05:47:43 am ---Connectors with no TH mounting have issues holding on the PCB.

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This , the keyword is "thru hole" mounting, to provide a mechanical strength/anchor points, its hard for certain people to understand this, I guess the USB designers .. err .. artists will never learn and realize that, ever.

They are artists, what do you expect ?  :palm:

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