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| Microdoser:
IMO the world is heading in one of a few directions. Either we just accept that COVID is a fact of life and just get on with it allowing it to infect whoever, whenever, or we have unsustainable lockdowns when the cases surge, or there are regular rounds of whatever new vaccine covers the latest variants, but this may be three rounds a year or more. The cynical part of me says that just getting on with it is the 'least effort' option for governments, so that is what they will end up doing. Anyway, once they implant all the nano-devices they won't need to do it again. |
| Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: Microdoser on March 21, 2021, 10:25:41 am ---Anyway, once they implant all the nano-devices they won't need to do it again. --- End quote --- Oh but all the nanodevices need upgrades, 5G will be soon outdated so at least a 1G update patch needs to be injected to everybody for 6G. |
| Syntax Error:
A salient tale for any place which thinks it can get back to normal. The Isle Of Man (IoM) in the Irish Sea, had long prided itself on being Covid free; on having "defeated the virus." So much so, it became a 'party island' for the 86,000 residents, whilst surrounding UK and Ireland were in total lockdown. So no social distancing, no early closing, no face coverings, no home schooling, no nothing. And then... possibly from a single case of Covid in a crewman aboard the island's ferry, an outbreak which proved their confidence was based on complacency. The IoM (which has more registerd mega yatchs than critical care hospital beds) is now in full lockdown. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/isle-of-man/ |
| madires:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 21, 2021, 09:19:34 am ---A large handful of nations have clearly proved though all of this suffering is completely optional tragedy bought to us by our incompetent leaders, but what can we do. --- End quote --- Plus many idiots ignoring anti-COVID-19 measures and holding superspreader events. :-- |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 21, 2021, 09:19:34 am ---Wide-scale (basically the whole planet) real-world human experiments and testing have undeniably revealed the following: 1) While most of the "West" have theorized about the advantage to the economy of letting the disease spread without restrictions, not a single nation, not even Sweden, have had guts to go all the way (or even close) to see if this works. The breaking point seems to be the army mass-transporting dead bodies under the windows of people. At this point, losers try the strategy of the winners, but it's too late. What that means, "economy vs. human life" is, and was from day one, a completely false dichotomy. In reality, they go hand-in-hand. 2) Statistically signicant number of nations, mostly in Asia (and Oceania), have definitely proved that strong early actions (that seem "excessively strong" or "panicking" to many at that stage) result in least death, least injury, least suffering, but also least damage to the economy, and maybe most importantly, least amount of restriction of human rights like the right to go shopping or have a coffee with friends. While most of the EU and USA is still more or less closed, people in Australia, New Zealand, South Korea or Singapore are sipping their coffee in restaurants almost normally. These nations have proved that seemingly "excessive" but scientifically rational actions which look like "panicking" to some are effective to guarantee people can quickly go back to normal life at some 90% duty cycle and don't need to suffer for 1.5 years nonstop from this shit. Doing too little too late has clearly led to having to go to much stronger limitations than what "strong" limitations would have originally been, and also for much longer time. It is devastating to see how pretty much all of the "West" has utterly failed to understand this blatantly obvious relationship even WHO, despite all of their shortcomings, talked about from day one. Our Western approach seems to be, panic panic panic, "no we are not panicking! need to show that off", until the death scares the shit out and then we start to visibly panic, still unable to make rational choices based on expert analysis - or even common sense. A large handful of nations have clearly proved though all of this suffering is completely optional tragedy bought to us by our incompetent leaders, but what can we do. --- End quote --- There are reasons for the differences between the west and Asia/Oceania. The west is a long way from China and appears to be very disconnected from it. When most people here heard about an outbreak of a new type of pneumonia in China, which killed thousands of people, they thought it's sad but couldn't possibly effect them. Oceania and Asia have strong connections with China, which is almost on their doorstep, so there was a greater sense of urgency, hence the rapid reaction, with fewer deaths and less economic damage. Oceania is more geographically isolated from the rest of the world, so it's easier to quarantine people and prevent the disease from spreading to from one place to another. China has an authoritarian government and can exercise almost absolute control over their population, imposting stricter lockdowns than anywhere else. The Wuhan lockdown was the most strict. People were confined to their homes and food was delivered to their door. The only legitimate reason to leave was to go to hospital in an ambulance. Other parts of Asia such as Japan and South Korea aren't so authoritarian, but people are better at following rules and mask wearing, than people in the west. For example South Korea have a very good contact tracing programme, which people comply with. Many people in the west are too worried about big brother and privacy for a similar scheme to work there. Politics play a huge part. The WHO didn't react quickly enough, recommending everyone suspending flights from China, which many put down to them not wanting to upset the Chinese. I remember Trump being strongly criticised when he stopped flights from China, only for most of the world to follow suit shortly after. Countries with close ties need to act in a similar manner. I doubt there's anything a single EU country could have done alone, which would have significantly reduced the spread. The whole of the EU needed to act in a similar manner. We've been lucky. The disease could have been much more deadly, contagious and harder to develop a vaccine for. What would have happened if the vaccines were a failure? As the disease is now endemic to most of the world, the only choice we'd have is to allow it to slowly infect people, at a rate our health systems can cope with. Hopefully we'll react more quickly from day one in future. The problem is, if we do that, many will see it as a gross overreaction, as nothing bad happened, so there will be less incentive to do the same again. --- Quote from: Syntax Error on March 21, 2021, 11:04:36 am ---A salient tale for any place which thinks it can get back to normal. The Isle Of Man (IoM) in the Irish Sea, had long prided itself on being Covid free; on having "defeated the virus." So much so, it became a 'party island' for the 86,000 residents, whilst surrounding UK and Ireland were in total lockdown. So no social distancing, no early closing, no face coverings, no home schooling, no nothing. And then... possibly from a single case of Covid in a crewman aboard the island's ferry, an outbreak which proved their confidence was based on complacency. The IoM (which has more registerd mega yatchs than critical care hospital beds) is now in full lockdown. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/isle-of-man/ --- End quote --- The fact they've done so well is proof of the benefits of being an island. This should provide motivation for other places which are COVID-free to get vaccinated as soon as possible. |
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