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| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: Microdoser on March 21, 2021, 10:25:41 am ---IMO the world is heading in one of a few directions. Either we just accept that COVID is a fact of life and just get on with it allowing it to infect whoever, whenever, or we have unsustainable lockdowns when the cases surge, or there are regular rounds of whatever new vaccine covers the latest variants, but this may be three rounds a year or more. The cynical part of me says that just getting on with it is the 'least effort' option for governments, so that is what they will end up doing. Anyway, once they implant all the nano-devices they won't need to do it again. --- End quote --- It'll be a combination of both. COVID won't go away, but having lived through the first waves and either being infected or vaccinated means people's immune systems can cope with future iterations more effectively. The problem wasn't COVID as such, the problem was that it was brand new with people having essentially no base immunity. Having that problem on a world wide scale meant swathes of people falling seriously ill, overwhelming health care and leading to many deaths otherwise preventable. Despite spectacular claims from media trying to generate a story, immunologists felt that vaccines would likely still protect against variants. We seem to be seeing that confirmed in the field. If anything, COVID seems to mutate slower than initially expected. Once immunity is built up and things start balancing out, normal life can resume. People will still die from COVID, but coldly put on a manageable scale. |
| JohnnyMalaria:
--- Quote from: Terry Bites on March 21, 2021, 03:24:07 pm ---Astra Zenica, first dose. Do I get chipped on the second dose then? --- End quote --- AstraZeneca |
| madires:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on March 21, 2021, 01:25:22 pm --- --- Quote from: madires on March 21, 2021, 11:53:25 am ---Plus many idiots ignoring anti-COVID-19 measures and holding superspreader events. :-- --- End quote --- If only there was a way to find out who they are and charge them extra for health insurance since they are raising costs for everyone. Problem is, I can't think of a good way to do that without causing its own problems. --- End quote --- Simply apply the law and charge them with attempted assault. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 21, 2021, 03:29:46 pm --- --- Quote from: Microdoser on March 21, 2021, 10:25:41 am ---IMO the world is heading in one of a few directions. Either we just accept that COVID is a fact of life and just get on with it allowing it to infect whoever, whenever, or we have unsustainable lockdowns when the cases surge, or there are regular rounds of whatever new vaccine covers the latest variants, but this may be three rounds a year or more. The cynical part of me says that just getting on with it is the 'least effort' option for governments, so that is what they will end up doing. Anyway, once they implant all the nano-devices they won't need to do it again. --- End quote --- It'll be a combination of both. COVID won't go away, but having lived through the first waves and either being infected or vaccinated means people's immune systems can cope with future iterations more effectively. The problem wasn't COVID as such, the problem was that it was brand new with people having essentially no base immunity. Having that problem on a world wide scale meant swathes of people falling seriously ill, overwhelming health care and leading to many deaths otherwise preventable. Despite spectacular claims from media trying to generate a story, immunologists felt that vaccines would likely still protect against variants. We seem to be seeing that confirmed in the field. If anything, COVID seems to mutate slower than initially expected. Once immunity is built up and things start balancing out, normal life can resume. People will still die from COVID, but coldly put on a manageable scale. --- End quote --- That's true. There are lots of fear-mongering in the media about it going on forever, but all the scientific evidence points towards it getting better in the long term. Once we have herd immunity, due to vaccination and infection, the virus is unlikely to be causing widespread severe disease and death in 10 years time. If it mutated rapidly and immunity were short lived, then reinfection would be more common and vaccines developed against the virus circulating a year ago, would have little effect against the current variants. It's just the media trying to make more money and fear sells. --- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 21, 2021, 03:13:40 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on March 21, 2021, 01:13:51 pm ---Politics play a huge part. The WHO didn't react quickly enough, recommending everyone suspending flights from China, which many put down to them not wanting to upset the Chinese. I remember Trump being strongly criticised when he stopped flights from China, only for most of the world to follow suit shortly after. --- End quote --- Except his "ban" (which came after 45 other countries had already implemented restrictions) was a joke. 27,000 US citizens still travelled from China to the US after the ban, along with 8,000 Chinese and other non-US nationals. Meanwhile, countless thousands of people were still travelling between the US and Europe in spite of the rising COVID-19 cases in the New York region. Trump failed miserably. They did the stupidest thing imaginable - "evacuate" people from the epicenter of the outbreak to locations on a different continent. They failed to quarantine and test them properly after arrival in the US. What could possibly go wrong? https://www.cnnphilippines.com/world/2020/3/2/Wuhan-evacuee-released-quarantine-Texas-positive-coronavirus-.html --- End quote --- Oh no, I'm not saying Trump handled it well, just that it was funny the way he was criticised by the media for stopping flights from China, which was the right thing to do. Trump has been rightly criticised for his handling of the pandemic, but I doubt having a different president would have made as much difference, as many believe. The fact that he wanted to quarantine New York, when cases were high there, but realised he couldn't, proves that. Individual states have too much autonomy from central government, for the president to have much effect. If Trump were re-elected, I very much doubt the US could be that much different now, COVID-wise. Biden made a big deal about ramping up the vaccination programme, but it was started by the previous administration and has been endorsed by the ex-president, so it would have happened anyway. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 21, 2021, 03:29:46 pm ---COVID won't go away.... --- End quote --- Really? So this epidemic is unique? Most other epidemics have just gone away. They weren't beaten by human action, or by the disease running out of victims to infect. Herd immunity is obviously a part of the picture, but it doesn't explain a lot about the way infection patterns reduce. Our understanding of why epidemics go away is very weak, but we do know they generally go away. |
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