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| Zero999:
I had my first shot on Thursday, but thought I'd wait a couple of days before posting this. I've had fairly mild side effects. I'm not sure whether it's the vaccine, or me feeling a little tired at the weekend, which is often the case. I was up a little late on Friday, so came into work about 15 minutes late and I slept in a couple of hours today. Anyway, I'll start at the beginning. On Wednesday I heard the under 40s will be offered the vaccine on Thursday morning, so I tried to book, both by phone and on the Internet, as soon as I got into work that morning. Unfortunately they wanted me to travel 12 miles, when there's a vaccination centre within easy walking distance from where I work. The phone call was frustrating. The operator had a heavy Indian accent. I asked why I couldn't get it done locally he said it was because the nearest centre was fully booked, which was a lie. Someone at work sent an email to all staff, telling them the local centre was doing a walk in service, but for over 40s only. I put down the phone and thought I'd try my luck with the local centre, even though I'm under 40. Fortunately they had no problem with giving the shot. They explained to me it's the AstraZeneca, yet under 40s are recommended to get the Pfizer, but they'd do it anyway. I think the online/phone in service only offered me centres which did the Pfizer, but it would have been good to get the choice. The media have overplayed the risks of the AstraZeneca and underplayed those of the Pfizer jab, which is motivated by money. AstraZeneca aren't making a profit on the vaccine and have actually lost money on it, where as Pfizer have turned a healthy profit. Governments have been lobbied to avoid the cheapest and give out the most expensive vaccines. The Pfizer isn't 100% safe either. There have been reports of myocarditis, where it's been exclusively rolled out in Israel. Of course I would have had no problem with getting the Pfizer, but I'd rather not travel when it's not necessary. |
| madires:
AstraZeneca is fine as long as you don't have antibodies for PF4 (a part of thrombocytes) which could trigger a sinus venous thrombosis. And the typical side effects are similar to a flu, but last just one or two days. The recommended minimum age for AstraZeneca seems to be questionable because a new study (unfortunately not robust because of an insufficient number of cases) indicates that people over 60 are also effected by sinus venous thrombosis and other related diseases after the vaccination. Again, the risk for women is about four/five times larger than for men. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: madires on May 15, 2021, 07:54:41 pm ---AstraZeneca is fine as long as you don't have antibodies for PF4 (a part of thrombocytes) which could trigger a sinus venous thrombosis. And the typical side effects are similar to a flu, but last just one or two days. The recommended minimum age for AstraZeneca seems to be questionable because a new study (unfortunately not robust because of an insufficient number of cases) indicates that people over 60 are also effected by sinus venous thrombosis and other related diseases after the vaccination. Again, the risk for women is about four/five times larger than for men. --- End quote --- Yes, older people have has blood clots, due to the vaccine. The idea for the age limit is not to eliminate all risk, which is impossible, but to balance it with the benefit. I think the lower age limit is sensible, because people in their 60s are at a relatively high risk of severe COVID-19. The infection rate and vaccine availability should also be a factors in deciding what vaccine to give. In areas with high infection rates and the AZ is widely available, the age limit should be lower, because the risks of the disease are higher, than the vaccine. On the other hand if there are few people with the virus, the age limit should be raised, as the risk of infection is lower, so it makes less sense to have a vaccine with a higher risk. This is the reason why the UK dropped the age limit for the AZ recently. What doesn't make any sense is that sex isn't taken into account. We should be giving men the AstraZeneca and women the Pfizer. It's funny how the media in Europe have been so obsessed with AZ and blood clots, yet overlook the myocarditis in men associated with the Pfizer. Being a male in my late 30s, I definitely feel safer with the AZ. Don't get me wrong, I would have has the Pfizer, if it was the only one available, but it wouldn't be my first choice. Another general point is the media go on about herd immunity, which is actually impossible to achieve in the sense of stopping the virus spreading completely. I remember at the start of the pandemic, doctors said figures of around 70% of the population would need to be immune to stop the virus from spreading, which makes sense given R0 was expected to be around 3.5 and 1-1/3.5 = 0.71, but that assumes complete immunity. It's unlikely the vaccines will be that effective to all the new variants and there'll be sufficient take-up for herd immunity. Fortunately they do seem to be highly effective at preventing severe disease and death and we hopefully will have sufficient levels of herd immunity to prevent a repeat of last winter. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 15, 2021, 07:01:29 pm ---I had my first shot on Thursday, but thought I'd wait a couple of days before posting this. I've had fairly mild side effects. I'm not sure whether it's the vaccine, or me feeling a little tired at the weekend, which is often the case. I was up a little late on Friday, so came into work about 15 minutes late and I slept in a couple of hours today. --- End quote --- There are two vaccination centres in York, one at the northern end and one at the southern end. Everyone seems to get their first appointment at the southern one, and their second appointment at the northern one. I have no idea why. --- Quote from: Zero999 on May 15, 2021, 07:01:29 pm ---The media have overplayed the risks of the AstraZeneca and underplayed those of the Pfizer jab, which is motivated by money. AstraZeneca aren't making a profit on the vaccine and have actually lost money on it, where as Pfizer have turned a healthy profit. Governments have been lobbied to avoid the cheapest and give out the most expensive vaccines. The Pfizer isn't 100% safe either. There have been reports of myocarditis, where it's been exclusively rolled out in Israel. Of course I would have had no problem with getting the Pfizer, but I'd rather not travel when it's not necessary. --- End quote --- You mean politicians have a scant disregard for people's well being, and a high regard for monied interests? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 15, 2021, 07:01:29 pm ---There have been reports of myocarditis, where it's been exclusively rolled out in Israel. --- End quote --- How many, vs how many doses? So far there's no solid information I can find beyond a vague suggestion of a correlation. |
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