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Monkeh:

--- Quote from: TimFox on May 16, 2021, 10:01:51 pm ---With the recent CDC announcement that vaccinated individuals need not wear masks in many situations, but the general opinion that it is impolite (or politically incorrect) to inquire of others about their vaccination status, I must trust the unmasked individuals who I encounter to have been vaccinated.  Why does this make me uncomfortable?

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Because people are just going to stop wearing their masks and lie, because somehow wearing a mask is equivalent in the minds of many to being locked in a cell.

Zero999:
One thing I don't get is why masks and vaccines have been politicised in the US, with those who are on the right being against them and those on the left strongly in favour. Here in the UK, they're seen as a public health measures. It's true those on the extreme right and other minorities are against them, but that's because they don't trust the government, like any other group of people who feel marginalised.


--- Quote from: rfclown on May 16, 2021, 09:57:05 pm ---I just had my first Pfizer shot yesterday. I find the science behind the mRNA vaccines facinating, but if I weren't married, I wouldn't have been vaccinated yet. I'll turn 60 this year, have no chronic medical issues, and don't FEEL at risk. I'm an engineer, logical thinker, try to educate myself on the facts, and make decisions based on facts. From the facts that I'm aware of, I'd hold off because of not knowing the long term side effects of the mRMA approach. Seems like we have enough evidence at this point to see what the short term risks are. My decision to get the vaccine at this time is weighed by the facts of my personal situation: my wife is terrified by this whole thing. Her cortisol levels have been through the roof for a year now, and that it bad for her health. I care about my wife. She lost a brother-in-law from this, and she worries about me and her kids. She has nurse friends who have left their jobs over issues with COVID. For the physical and mental health of my wife, and for my mental health, I am choosing to be vaccinated. It took me a while to be ok to do this. I've read copious amounts of material. I don't listen to the talking heads. My wife was vaccinated just 3 days before me. It was a huge thing for her just to go out and get it done.

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Yes, another reason why I feel safer with the AstraZeneca jab. It's based on a much older, proven technology: a deactivated viral vector. Again, I still would have accepted the Pfizer, if I didn't have the choice.

On the other hand, I don't see how getting the vaccine could cause problems several months, or years down the road. I'm not aware of any other vaccine causing problems years later, even though the person felt fine for the first five or so weeks. Those who do get chronically ill from a vaccine, say they develop Guillain-Barré syndrome, do so fairly soon afterwards. It doesn't happen several months, or years later.

Good on you for considering others, before yourself, but you should also think of the rest of society, outside your family. I'm quite a bit younger than you and the main reason why I got the jab was to protect everyone else, not just my family. I think you've probably made the right decision for yourself, as no one knows for sure how this virus will affect them. There have been plenty of people under 60 who have gotten really sick from COVID-19, even if it didn't kill them.

TimFox:
The main reason for the politicization of masking in the USA is that our previous president ranged from unenthusiastic about mask wearing to ridiculing those who masked.  Thus, a technical issue (with some controversy) became a signal of ones location along the political spectrum.  There was no communication from above about joining together, shoulder to shoulder, to defeat the virus for the good of the community.
This all reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about parliamentary elections between the Sensible Party, the Silly Party, and the fringe Very Silly Party.

tszaboo:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 21, 2021, 10:19:23 pm ---I honestly don't know if the government have done the right thing with lockdown. My opinion has changed from one extreme to the other, throughout the last year. I think we could have kept a lot of things open: shops, hairdressers and beauty salons probably didn't need to close, as with suitable PPE the risk is minimal, but it was definitely right to close restaurants, nightclubs, bars etc. when it became apparent cases were out of control. On the other hand closing more down than necessary might have made people take it more seriously and many businesses would have struggled anyway, as people stayed in more, even if they weren't forced to. Many other countries have done a similar thing, so we're hardly unique.

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With every infection, there is a chance of mutation. There have been several nasty mutations already, some are more infections, some is killing children as well. Some might become so mutated, that the vaccines will be useless. We didn't know what was going to happen, and what will happen in the next years. I think the complete lockdown was very well justified, as we could end up with a something much worse than this.

--- Quote from: rfclown on May 16, 2021, 09:57:05 pm ---I just had my first Pfizer shot yesterday. I find the science behind the mRNA vaccines facinating, but if I weren't married, I wouldn't have been vaccinated yet. I'll turn 60 this year, have no chronic medical issues, and don't FEEL at risk.
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People of all ages died because of this. And could be even scarier, the complications that they are reporting after mild cases. They report hearth damage, can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome... We dont even have a very good estimate how many people might die early after having just a mild case of this pandemic.

This is not the seasonal flu.

JohnnyMalaria:

--- Quote from: TimFox on May 16, 2021, 10:01:51 pm ---With the recent CDC announcement that vaccinated individuals need not wear masks in many situations, but the general opinion that it is impolite (or politically incorrect) to inquire of others about their vaccination status, I must trust the unmasked individuals who I encounter to have been vaccinated.  Why does this make me uncomfortable?

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Because, quite rightly, you are angry at the idea that some selfish sods refuse to get the vaccination and will use the new ruling to be even more selfish. Also, being vaccinated isn't a 100% guarantee at not getting infected, so knowing that there are people who are willing to walk around unvaccinated without masks means that they are still putting you at a risk of infection. However, they are the ones likely to get infected and evolution will take its course.

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