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Vaccine
coppice:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 29, 2021, 12:01:07 pm ---I stopped listening at the point he starting talking about profit and the amount of vaccines children get, which are both irreverent to the UK. Children don't get that many vaccines here and the most commonly used COVID-19 vaccine, made by AstraZeneca hasn't made them any money. In fact they've lost money on its COVID vaccine.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-lost-money-on-its-covid-19-vaccine-11619771934
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Astra-Zeneca fully intended to make a killing with their vaccine. They have simply failed in their political moves, and not sold as much as they hoped they would.
SeanB:
True, without vaccines you would find most children would not have made it past the age of 5, seeing as the average family size would be 8 to 10 children, with perhaps only 2 making it to past puberty, and becoming adults. Vaccines changed that, as a single biggest change, where you would find that children did not die of disease before their first birthday, and this was an even bigger thing than hygiene, antibiotics and modern medicine based on them.
Easiest thing for the anti's is simply to allow them to believe that, but also tell them the choice they made is going to mean that they will also be denied free hospital treatment if they get ill, solving the problem. They will have to pay the cash price, and will not be able to avoid the result by declaring bankruptcy afterwards.
BTW, I am alive thanks to vaccines, I would not have made it past 3 if it were not for antibiotics and tetanus shots, I still remember the red lines growing up my leg from that episode. Yes I still get a booster shot every 10 years or so for tetanus, and thankfully never had it ever again. Locally there was a move to knock down the century old stables and make it a soccer academy, wonder just how they are going to remove all the century plus of tetanus that is soaked into the walls, flooring, roof, and what they will be using as fields outside. Hope all the players are up to date on that shot.
coppice:
--- Quote from: SeanB on May 29, 2021, 12:34:53 pm ---True, without vaccines you would find most children would not have made it past the age of 5, seeing as the average family size would be 8 to 10 children, with perhaps only 2 making it to past puberty, and becoming adults. Vaccines changed that, as a single biggest change, where you would find that children did not die of disease before their first birthday, and this was an even bigger thing than hygiene, antibiotics and modern medicine based on them.
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A lot of the growth of the world's population in the 20th century seems to have come the lag between the death rate of children plummeting, and people's attitudes about how many children to have adjusting accordingly.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: SeanB on May 29, 2021, 12:34:53 pm ---Easiest thing for the anti's
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Beware how you black and white label people.
There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved.
I know many people like this personally, and I do not disparage them for it nor do I label them, because I know they aren't "anti-vaxxers".
coppice:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 29, 2021, 01:08:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: SeanB on May 29, 2021, 12:34:53 pm ---Easiest thing for the anti's
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Beware how you black and white label people.
There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved.
I know many people like this personally, and I do not disparage them for it nor do I label them, because I know they aren't "anti-vaxxers".
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I think most engineers should be at least a little hesitant about covid vaccines. We have plenty of experience of how wonderfully well most new technologies rushed to market work out.... except with a vaccine you can't just throw the crappy products in the bin.
Look at this politicised definition - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer So, objecting to state compulsion makes you anti-vax?
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